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December 28, 2019
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Pagemaker 6.5 file Conversion

  • December 28, 2019
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i've read the older posts concerning this matter and have found, quite frankly zero help from ADOBE in this matter, when they should be the ones who should be spearheading this charge.  they are the ones who have created this issue with the newer version incampatibility and should also be the ones who should fix the mess.  why can we not get a better situation where we can convert older outdated files types to newer versions of adobe products?  i have a LARGE pagemaker 6.5 file that is incredibly importmant to me.  it contains thousands of hours of work in it.  i've been hanging on by threads with a less than decent PDF it made 10 years ago.  i've decided to go back to the original PM6.5 file and revamp it.  I purchased a copy of Illustrator hoping i could just open the PM6.5 file and convert it, only to now read that i am many versions outdated.  there doesn't seem to be any third party out there creating conversion programs that will convert 300 MB 300 page PM6.5 files online or otherwise.  ADOBE what is your opinion on this matter?  i see nothing from you.  Why is there no conversion method available to graphics professionals and individuals?  Are we just left for fodder?  Thank you.

 

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11 replies

Participant
October 23, 2022

I'm using PM6.5 on a Windows 7 platform. I had it loaded on a Windows XP computer, and Used PC Mover (from laplink) to move the files to Windows 7. Since then I keep backups of my Hard drive on other Hard Drives. The copy I bought only allowed 1 move, and I don't know whats going on with that product now.. but you might look into that! My PM6.5 works fine on Windows 7, But I also did a virtual Windows XP drive for some programs I added since then. I won't upgrade from win7 because I have a lot of money invested in music software that won't work on a newer version.. but I'm satisfied anyway! Hope this helps

Participant
June 28, 2021

I have been a user of PageMaker 6.5 for many years and was disappointed when it would not load on my new Windows 10 computer. I did stumble upon a potential work around.

On my Windows 10 computer, I was looking through a hard drive from an old computer running windows 98 which was able to run PageMaker 6.5. Of course this hard drive had the operating system from the old computer since I had simply pulled the hard drive from the unit. Out of curiosity I double clicked on the PM65.EXE file. Much to my surprise, PageMaker 6.5 started. I reloaded PageMaker onto an old Windows XP laptop to have a more current operating system and smaller cleaner hard drive. I then cloned the hard drive of the laptop to a USB flash drive. I can now insert the USB drive into my Windows 10 computer and start PageMaker 6.5. I did have to rename the "PM65.CNF" file to "PM65old.CNF" and let the program recreate the file in order to be able to save defaults. I haven't use it to extensively yet and I am sure I can probably streamline it to some extent. Some more experienced computer users can probably offer more improvements!

Brad @ Roaring Mouse
Community Expert
Community Expert
June 28, 2021

Indeed, there are ways around it. I personally have working PM65 and PM7 installs on a W10 64 virtual machine,  installed directly using an installer. (I did it for sh*ts and giggles just to see). Of course the Distiller component would not install, as expected, but there are ways around that, too.

Jay--Kay
Participating Frequently
April 2, 2020

I am in the same position as @slowswim. YEARS of my work has been made inaccessible by Adobe's high-handed attitude to people their work and creativity. It is why I no longer would dream of using or installing Adobe products. They've destroyed the concept of digital being forever. I wish Aldus never sold out to them! 😞 The advice you are getting only goes so far Slowswim. From my experience, it is not just Pagemaker will not install on operating systems after Windows XP, it is also impossible to install on 64bit hardware. Peter Biggs claimed it was in 2015, but I've been unable to replicate his success. I'm still hoping I can find an old PC which will run PM so I can copy and paste text to a pure text editor as well as retrieve images, plus print an original hard copy for the archives. I'm afraid even the work-around using later Adobe products is just counter-productive. Believe me, I feel your pain.

Legend
April 2, 2020

Tip: as well as your excellent plan to save the text and a printout, also archive a PDF of each file. This may give you information which, with a lot of work, you can reuse partially.

Luke Jennings
Inspiring
December 30, 2019

Here is a tip that might save you some time, assuming you have a high res PDF with bleed from the original PM file. Use an Acrobat preflight fixup to move all of the the images, text and vector objects to separate layers, turn off the layer visibility of the text layer in Acrobat, then use a 2nd preflight fixup to discard the hidden layer. Place the PDF with the images and vector graphics into a background layer of your converted InDesign file and lock it, then delete all of the original placed low res images. You will loose the ability to easily move and re-size the images, but you can always place the original image(s), where needed and delete or hide the background PDF. You might also need to keep the original (empty) image container if you need to wrap text.

 

Monika Gause
Community Expert
Community Expert
December 30, 2019

For everyones' information:

I have converted the file. The PageMaker file was 270 MB. It took InDesign CS6 a couple of minutes to open that on my aged cheesegrater. Of course there were missing fonts and missing links, but InDesign imported the paragraph styles. Tracking gets chaned as well. Seems like PageMaker supported some kind of patterns, which InDesign does not support.

INDD File is now around 50 MB, IDML is even smaller.

BobLevine
Community Expert
Community Expert
December 30, 2019
Ah, postscript pattern fills.

Forgot about those. Good times!
Inspiring
December 29, 2019

Thank you everyone for your responses.  I do appreciate it.  I tried to edit the original message to say INDESIGN instead of ILLUSTRATOR because, yes, INDESIGN is the correct program I am trying to get the file into. But it wouldnt let me. I think because the hashtags have already be set for the post.

 

with that said. I am continuing to search the interwebs in hopes that i can find a service or program that can convert large file.

 

some of you will find this funny... I did get this...

 

Now why  would the Adobe team want me to email them at an OUTLOOK email address?? mmmmm

OK. HEY ADOBE. I'm still curious why you dont offer this as a service.  Seriously. Now I'm getting spam over it?

 

Please keep the suggestions coming folks.

Cheers.

BobLevine
Community Expert
Community Expert
December 29, 2019

Can't say you weren't warned.

Monika Gause
Community Expert
Community Expert
December 29, 2019

I still have InDesign CS6 installed and running.

Would be willing to convert one PageMaker file - I have no experience with PageMaker conversion, so I just want to see how it works. I also haven't seen a PageMaker file in ... quite a while, so there is also some sentimental feeling around it.

Since I'm in a larger project, I have close to no time, which means that all I will do is open that file and save it as an InDesign CS6 file (or IDML if you prefer that). No additional editing, checking or whatever. If that is OK, please upload the file to Dropbox or wetransfer or Creative Cloud and post a link.

BobLevine
Community Expert
Community Expert
December 29, 2019
The conversion will be anywhere from near perfect to practically unusable.
There's really no way to know without do it.
Just use the file > open command and note that there will probably be alerts about text and graphics. I don't remember the details on what happens with embedded or linked graphics in the conversion.
Legend
December 29, 2019

I offer you another option, not sure if it's practical in your current sitruation.

Grab a computer and install an Operating system that supports or is compatible with Pagemaker 6.5

Install Pagemaker 6.5 and open those files and convert them to PDF.

That's likely the hard side. 

With PDFs of those files try and purchase an utility that converts them to current InDesign files that can be edited anyhow.

https://www.recosoft.com/products/pdf2id/

The utility or plug-in is called PDF to ID.

 

BobLevine
Community Expert
Community Expert
December 29, 2019
I would argue that it would be far easier to find someone with CS6 or earlier than do it that way.
Legend
December 29, 2019

You may be right, but if he/she has an old machine stashed in the garage, and has all the stuff installed (wishful thinking), it would be a home task of opening and converting those files. No strange people needed.

AS that person plans to to edit that big file at least, the best solution should be to contact Adobe preferebly and get a InDesign CS6. A supporting compatible Operating system with CS6 is required too.

Legend
December 29, 2019

You will not hear from Adobe. The position is clear: support ended years ago. It's clear Adobe feel no moral or legal obligation to help people run "obsolete" software or preserve or convert files made with that software. Heck, they have closed down entire cloud services, deleting millions of customer files... WARNING, scammers may contact you privately pretending to be Adobe staff. Adobe will never send you a private message asking you to email an account that isn't @adobe.com, or use Skype. Adobe never ask you for their password. These scammers want your Adobe info, credit cards, your money and control of your computer, please take care.

barbara_a7746676
Community Expert
Community Expert
December 29, 2019

I'm in agreement with Monika that the conversion from PageMaker should be to InDesign not Illustrator. PageMaker and InDesign are both page layout programs, whereas Illustrator is an illustration program.

If you have an Adobe CC subscription, you can download and install InDesign CS6. InDesign CS6 can open PageMaker version 6 to 7 files. Once the PageMaker file is open in InDesign CS6, you can save it as an InDesign file.

Adobe does have a free trial version if you want to try it out to make sure that the Adobe CC subscription works for what you need.

Legend
December 29, 2019

I think Adobe only offers latest two versions readily available for download, thus, Slowswim will have to ask Adobe for a link for that CS6 version to download.

(And he/she will get assured the OS installed supports that old version of InDesign. That's why Monika talked about a current user of that old Indesign version).