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valeried81839117
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March 15, 2017
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The text will not extend to the right side of the column

  • March 15, 2017
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Hi I am having layout difficulties where the text will not extend to the right side of the column, even though it is obvious there is room for more words. I am trying to improve the layout of the text and reduce the white space, but for some reason the text is not optimising all the space available across a column, and moves text to a new line when there is obvious space for it on that line.  Changing the Composer setting under justification from Adobe Paragraph Composer to Adobe Single line Composer results in some improvement, but it is not a recommended practice for a whole document.  Would you have any suggestions or reasons why this is happening?

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    Barb Binder
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    March 16, 2017

    Good morning!

    Also I do not want all those words being hyphenated as it looks stranger than the original problem so do I just turn hyphenation off?

    Of course, the answer to this question is sure, you should do whatever you think looks best.

    I have learned that hyphenation is sensitive topic for people—a message sent home when I observed two of my students raising their voices in class as they argued over whether one should or should not use hyphenation on body paragraphs. Witnessing that event taught me that hyphenation falls into the same category as religion and politics—something best not discussed with strangers. Yet, I make a living teaching hyphenation controls in various applications. I long ago chose to simply present the facts, and leave my opinions out of it. So here are the facts:

    1.) With Paragraph Composer on, the dictionary set to English: UK and hyphenation on, the right rag is minimized:

    2.) With Paragraph Composer on, the dictionary set to English: UK and hyphenation off, the right rag is more prominent:

    3.) With Paragraph Composer on, the dictionary set to English: Australian and hyphenation on or off, the right rag is identical to English: UK with hyphenation off:

    4.) With Single-Line Composer on, the dictionary set to English: UK and hyphenation on:

    5.) With Single-Line Composer on, the dictionary set to English: UK and hyphenation off:

    Hopefully by comparing the various combinations of composers and hyphenation settings, you get to pick what you think looks best and then go on and enjoy the rest of your day!

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    If you want to learn more about hyphenation and the impact on legibility:

    Hyphenation | Butterick’s Practical Typography

    Hyphenation - Fonts.com - Fonts.com

    Hyphenation and Justification - Fonts.com

    ~Barb at Rocky Mountain Training
    Erica Gamet
    Inspiring
    March 16, 2017

    I'm trying to figure out how to mark Barb's reply/explanation as Super Awesome Amazingly Helpful. But "helpful" will have to suffice.

    Barb Binder
    Community Expert
    Community Expert
    March 16, 2017

    ~Barb at Rocky Mountain Training
    Barb Binder
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    March 15, 2017

    I agree with premio_oscar that Balance Ragged Lines could be the culprit here. The instructions above show you how to disable this if you are using styles. If you aren't using styles you can select the text and turn this off in the Control Panel menu. It's a nice feature for balancing multi-line heads, but not so good for body paragraphs.

    If not, please share a screen shot with Type > Hidden Characters turned on, so that we can see what is going on. Also, while a lot of people routinely disable hyphenation, you might want to make sure it is on (and check the settings) because it does reduce the rag on the right side.

    ~Barb at Rocky Mountain Training
    valeried81839117
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    March 15, 2017

    Thank you all fro your advice.

    I really wish the ragged lines being balanced was the issue, but I did not have it turned on.

    I am using CS5 and the OS is Windows 7, 64-bit operating system.

    In reference to the screen shot the bolded paragraph, for example the second line down there is room for the word 'of' to sit on this 2nd line as I was able to add it to the beginning of the line, but the program is not allowing it to happen. As a consequence I seem to be getting a lot of white wasted space on the right side of both columns.

    I also turned on hyphenation but it had not effect on this issue.

    I look forward to a solution to this problem, thank you.

    jane-e
    Community Expert
    Community Expert
    March 16, 2017

    Please show your Hyphenation panel

    and your Character panel (both with a paragraph selected)

    vladan saveljic
    Inspiring
    March 15, 2017

    in your Paragraph Style, under "Indents and Spacing" you have to uncheck "Balance Ragged Lines"

    John T Smith
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    Community Expert
    March 15, 2017

    The Lounge Forum is not for technical help, please provide the name of the program you are using so your message may be moved to the correct program forum... A program would be Photoshop or Dreamweaver or Muse or InDesign or ???

    valeried81839117
    Known Participant
    March 15, 2017

    Sorry new to this help format.

    The forum I need is Indesign,

    thank you,

    Val

    Derek Cross
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    March 15, 2017

    Val - please provide your InDesign version number and OS. Also a screen shot of your issue might help.