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September 10, 2021
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Using layers on multiple pages in Indesign

  • September 10, 2021
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Hi there,
I am working on two identical maps on 2 seperate pages in Indesign with multiple layers for each part of the map. ie Legend, labels, heading etc.
If I want the page 1 map to contain no labels, but the page 2 map to have 10 labels, if I switch off the 'label layer,' it applies the layer change to both pages, however I only want the change to apply to page 2 of the Indesign document only. Is there a way I can turn the layers on and off to apply to one page of the Indesign document only please?
Thank you!

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Correct answer Nonkun

Wouldn't it be easier to just:

 

1. Place dummy text like "Scale 1:XXX" on your InDesign document, and

2. Change the dummy text to the correct scale on each page as you need it.

 

That would strike me as easier than turning layers/sublayers off on each and every page. Plus it'd give you a functional stop where you could create, proof and confirm that you have the correct scale each place you put it in you InDesign document.

 

Jus' Sayin' ...

 

Randy


Perhaps it would be if it did not have 4 distinct numbers along the graphic scale.  For example, on a 1" = 30'-0" engineering scale, we ould have the numbers 0, 15, 30, 60 along a graphic scale.  If we can get the functionality to turn off layers by page as well as by document, it would open up a lot of options.  We could potentially have North Arrows at pre-determined angles that get toggled on and off.  It will help standardize the presentations among many users if editing within a title block is kept to a minimum.  

 

It would be nice to have, but there are work arounds.  Currently I am using sub-layer control on each page and defaulting them to not be visible until someone makes them visible.  4 clicks.  Not bad, but it could be more efficient.

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Community Expert
August 5, 2023
Peter Spier
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August 5, 2023

I don't think you even need conditional text -- layers are global, but the objects on them are unique and can be turned on and off individually or as a group if grouped. Just expand the layer in the panel and toggle the visibility off for things you dont want to output.

This is easier if the pages are on different spreads because it's easier to pick out the stuff you want to turn off when it only appears once on the layer, but there are ways to make identifying which copy i s which easy, like changing names.

Community Expert
August 5, 2023

Yes, there's multiple ways to achieve the same things. 

Community Expert
September 11, 2021

Where the entire layer will turn off - the layers in the drop down are page relevant

 

Map Layer Turned off

 

 

Drop down layers turned off

 

You will see that the Layer named Map Label 2 is different than that of Page 1.

Renaming the 'sublayers'

 

 

 

And you don't have to rename layers

It works with the standard name - I was just doing it to see visually the differences

 

 

So where the layer visibility affects all pages.

If you turn off the 'sub layers' via the drop down arrow in the Layers Panel - you can turn off individual elements per page within that layer.

 

 

Participant
September 11, 2021

Thanks so very much Eugene - that's so helpful and I appreciate your time! 🙂

 

Randy Hagan
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September 11, 2021

I know this seems counter-intuitive — that's a fancy way to say it doesn't make a lick of sense — but sometimes the easiest way to get things off a layer is to create yet another layer.

 

Let's simplify the example and put your two maps on a single reader's spread, pages 2 and 3. This will work the same if the two map pages are widely separated; it makes things a little easier to explain and much easier to see if you want to practice this before you do it to your book. The important things to remember is that Layers are global across your document, but elements placed in the document are Page specific.

 

  1. If you can see both pages 2 and 3 in your document, you're using the Facing Pages view. Go to the File>Document Setup... menu command and turn off the Facing Pages check box, then click the OK button. This way, we're set to only affect a page at a time.
  2. Go to page 2. Turn off all layers except the label layer. Get your Arrow/Selection Tool. Press Cmd/Ctrl+A, depending on whether you are using a Mac or a Windows system, respectively, to select everything on the label layer on page 2. Or if you prefer using your pull down menus, choose Edit>Select All.
  3. Press Cmd/Ctrl+X to cut all the information off from the label layer on page 2 and place it in your computer's clipboard. This works the same way if you choose the Edit>Cut menu command.
  4. Now go to your Layers panel, and create a new layer you can name Page 2 labels. Make sure that this new layer is selected in the panel.
  5. On your Mac, use the keyboard shortcut Cmd+Opt+Shift+V. If you're using a Windows system, your keyboard shortcut would be Ctrl+Alt+Shift+V. If you want to use the pull down menus, the command Edit>Paste in Place. This action will place all those elements you had on the label layer and will place them in exactly the same position on the new Page 2 labels layer.

 

Now you can turn on and off the label elements on Page 2 labels layer without affecting anything else left on the labels layer.

 

Hope this helps,

 

Randy

 

 

 

Participant
September 11, 2021

Thanks so much for your time explaining Randy - much appreciated 🙂

 

Dave Creamer of IDEAS
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September 11, 2021

No--layers are global in InDesign and Illustrator. 

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Legend
September 11, 2021

Hello @Emile Nowak,

 

Re: If I want the page 1 map to contain no labels, but the page 2 map to have 10 labels, if I switch off the 'label layer,'it applies the layer change to both pages, however I only want the change to apply to page 2 of the Indesign document only.

 

indesign layers are global to the document not to any specific page. Just leave the Label layer on, if Page1 has unwanted labels you'll need to delete them.

 

Regards,

Mike

Dave Creamer of IDEAS
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September 11, 2021

Dupe the label layer and name them Map 1 and Map 2. Delete the appropriate labels from each layer.

David Creamer: Community Expert (ACI and ACE 1995-2023)