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October 23, 2018
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Color changes between develop and Web Module (darker, redder, contrastier)

  • October 23, 2018
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I build a web gallery for every job, after making adjustments and when I switch to that module everything becomes darker, contrastier, muddier and redder.

It's a real hassle.

I just updated to the new version 8  but it happened in Version 7 too.

I trashed prefs, rebuilt monitor profiles and rebuilt previews.

None had any effect

Anyone know the answer to this?

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D Fosse
Community Expert
Community Expert
October 25, 2018

At this point, I think two things. One, using untagged files here is throwing a wild card into the mix, likewise assigning the display profile. We know what that both of those do in a normal color management chain. It either breaks the chain, or nulls it out. We don't need more unknown factors, we need less.

I think we should stick to properly and correctly tagged material, just to keep variables down so that we can identify what is actually taking place.

Second - and this is just my personal feeling and opinion - these already highly saturated test images make it difficult to see what's going on. It confuses and overloads the eye with redundant information. It's much more immediately obvious with "normal" images, with colors that people can recognize from memory.

I can't explain why some see it and some don't. From where I sit, this is consistent and unambiguous.

Todd Shaner
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October 25, 2018

https://forums.adobe.com/people/D+Fosse  wrote

I can't explain why some see it and some don't. From where I sit, this is consistent and unambiguous.

Dag, I see it exactly as you and John Ellis have described. The Web module is only partially color manged:

1) Displays image using the embedded color profile or assumes sRGB when image is untagged.

2) Outputs image to screen using sRGB display profile and NOT the OS assigned display profile.

Windows 7, NEC PA272w wide gamut monitor, Spectraview calibration, LR 7.5

D Fosse
Community Expert
Community Expert
October 24, 2018

As I never use the web module I haven't followed this discussion.

But now that I take a look, it's clear that this is sRGB data straight to wide gamut display - it's all oversaturated in the familiar way we know from non-color managed software.

Could this be a MacOS vs Windows thing? MacOS has a color management hand everywhere; while Windows is strictly hands off. If the application doesn't do it, it doesn't happen.

Apologies if that's already been covered upthread

johnrellis
Legend
October 24, 2018

Could this be a MacOS vs Windows thing?

No, the bug report shows the behavior occurring on Mac.

TheDigitalDog
Inspiring
October 24, 2018

johnrellis  wrote

Could this be a MacOS vs Windows thing?

No, the bug report shows the behavior occurring on Mac.

Not on my Mac. I've provided numerous examples of this. For LR5 up to LR8.

As for the bug report (and I couldn't find it when I searched), you're telling us it's 2 years old. That says something....

And yes, I've asked in the 'right area' about this and as yet haven't heard back from anyone on the LR team.

The facts are, the 'bug' doesn't show up for me. And I suspect others too. That doesn't mean there isn't a bug. It may have absolutely nothing to do with LR and Adobe. Hence, we need MORE data from users who see this issue, as I asked about above.

But stating that the Web module isn't color managed simply isn't correct. It is. It may be buggy but it's also color managed. Saying it isn't, or saying it's 'partial' color managed doesn't help because I've shown it is (it matches Library perfectly) and there is no such thing as 'partial color management'. It either is or it isn't. Bugs not withstanding.

I can show you a bug in Photoshop with the Gamut Overlay. It's a bug but that doesn't mean the Gamut Overlay doesn't work. Same with color management in Web. Once we get past that silliness, we might find out what's going on with SOME users where Library and Web do not match.

Author “Color Management for Photographers" & "Photoshop CC Color Management/pluralsight"
Known Participant
October 23, 2018

I read it and they were aware of the issue 2 years ago and it still exists in the latest release. I have done further a/b testing today and the uploaded galleries are much closer to the color/contrast of the develop module than the web module but not exact.

Silly me, to think they should look good in the web module. If I generate and load a "we preview" action it looks more accurate but who has the time to do that when working a job?

Stephen

TheDigitalDog
Inspiring
October 23, 2018

shermanphoto  wrote

I have done further a/b testing today and the uploaded galleries are much closer to the color/contrast of the develop module than the web module but not exact.

In Develop, you set a soft proof for sRGB?

Author “Color Management for Photographers" & "Photoshop CC Color Management/pluralsight"
Known Participant
October 23, 2018

No, I am trying it now, good catch !

Per Berntsen
Community Expert
Community Expert
October 23, 2018

The web module is not color managed, and will display images over saturated if you have a wide gamut monitor. Your images have not changed – it's just the way they display that has changed. On a wide gamut monitor, images will inevitably display over saturated in applications that aren't color managed.

Library and Develop are color managed, and will display correct colors.

You can, if you wish, post a bug report/feature request here: Lightroom Classic CC | Photoshop Family Customer Community

I thinks it's reasonable to expect from a professional image editor that all modules are color managed. (the Import module isn't color managed either)

Known Participant
October 23, 2018

wow, that's pretty upsetting to hear that the web gallery module is not color managed, except for the fact that the uploaded galleries

Develop module color

web module color

also don't match the develop module color.

Per Berntsen
Community Expert
Community Expert
October 23, 2018
except for the fact that the uploaded galleries also don't match the develop module color.

If you are on Windows and are using Edge or Internet Explorer to view the galleries, they will be over saturated, because these two browsers are not color managed. Practically any other web browser will be fine. Chrome, Opera, Firefox and Safari are all color managed, and should display correct colors.

cmgap
Community Expert
Community Expert
October 23, 2018

Not sure if you have considered a different workflow instead of building a web gallery? You can create a collection, sync it to Lightroom Web and share it via a link. Anyone with the link can access the gallery. You can choose how to display the gallery with a couple of options; title it etc.

Regarding your current issue of the difference in views from the Library to Web module can you upload a screen shot to show what you are describing.

Do you have 'Use Graphics Processor' checked or unchecked in the Preferences/Performance tab?

PS - When I was using the Web module and creating galleries, I used a plugin from The Turning Gate and never ran into the issue you are describing. It always produced great results.