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March 26, 2023
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Edit history doesn't appear in back up file

  • March 26, 2023
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When I export an edited image file for back up onto an external drive, the edit history does not show up. I only get the final edited image but not all the steps in the edit history. Is this supposed to happen? If not what am I doing wrong?

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Community Expert
March 27, 2023

An exported image (unless the special purpose file type 'Original' is chosen) includes picture information that reflects the edits you have done in LrC. Those edits are what needed to be done to some starting picture information, to bring it to this edited appearance.

 

Let's say this included only two steps: lightening the shadows X amount, and cloning out a bird in the sky. Your export includes lightened shadows, but does not also include the dark shadows as they looked before they were lightened. And it does not include any sky as that looked before your cloning, with a bird in it.

 

Hence you cannot now revisit those edits and redo them differently. Not from what's in this export. 

 

Edit information may tell you something has been cloned out from the upper part of the image (but was it a bird or a plane, perhaps Superman?) If there was edit history too, you would also know whether this mystery cloning happened before, or after, some shadows-lightening was done. But I can't imagine what anyone would do with that extra knowledge.

 

Edit history belongs within a workflow that preserves an unedited copy of the image (the starting picture information, still as first imported), and a Catalog that preserves all the subsequent work of its management and editing.

Barry5E99Author
Participant
March 27, 2023

Thank you all so much for your input. I guess my problem has been, more generally, establishing a workflow for back up onto an external HD. I now see that using the export function was totally barking up the wrong tree. I'm still unsure of the mechanics of copying files/catalogues over while keeping all edited info itact. I will absorb the material/links you sent and figure it out. If anyone has any pointers they would surely be welcome.

dj_paige
Legend
March 27, 2023

As I said earlier: "To get true backups, you need backups of BOTH the original (unedited) file and the catalog file". 

Per Berntsen
Community Expert
Community Expert
March 27, 2023
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When I export an edited image file for back up onto an external drive, the edit history does not show up


By @Barry5E99

 

Exporting does not create a backup of the original, it creates a new file with the edits applied (baked into the file).

LrC never changes the originals, the edits are saved as text in the catalog, and are only applied to new files.

You need to back up the originals, and certainly not delete them.

If you need to save space, do not export, unless you need an exported file for a particular purpose.

Your suggested workflow of deleting the original after exporting, would be like throwing away a film negative after having a print made from it.

 

To get a better understanding of how Lightroom Classic works, read some of the articles here:

https://www.lightroomqueen.com

Here's an article I've witten:  Lightroom (Classic) basics

Rob_Cullen
Community Expert
Community Expert
March 26, 2023

'History' only exists in the Catalog. It does not get included in an exported photo. Only the final appearance of all editing steps is 'burned into' an exported image.

 

Regards. My System: Windows-11, Lightroom-Classic 15.3, Photoshop 27.5, ACR 18.3, Lightroom 9.3, Lr-iOS 10.4.0, Bridge 16.0.3 .
Barry5E99Author
Participant
March 26, 2023

Thanks for your prompt response. So if I wind up deleting the original image file on my computer HD to save space and rely on my external back up, I lose all my edit history?

dj_paige
Legend
March 27, 2023

No, as stated above by @Rob_Cullen the history is in your catalog file. The idea of deleting the original file and then later importing it back into LrC is a very bad procedure, as information (such as edit history, plus other things) are lost.

 

In addition, the exported files are not backups in any meaningful sense of the word. To get true backups, you need backups of BOTH the original (unedited) file and the catalog file.