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December 6, 2023
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How do I use Soft Proofing on Lrc to see how my photos will look on a Samsung OLED phone screen?

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My exported photos look the same on my Macbook Pro and on my iPhone. But they look ridicylously too red and saturated on a Samsung phone. So can I add a Samsung phone ICC to my Mac and use Soft Proofing on Lrc to see how they will look on a Samsung phone? If yes, where can I find an ICC file that mimics Samsung phone screens?

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NB, colourmanagement
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December 7, 2023

Try this

Recent models of iPad, Android (such as Samsung) and iPhone apparently have factory calibration which is pretty reliable, so, they are quite consistent - of course brightness is user adjustable. 

IF your main computer screen is correctly calibrated and profiled and if you save images with the sRGB ICC profile embedded they should reproduce well on an iOS or Android device. My iPhone X matches my calibrated Eizo Coloredge screen very well.

Your Samsung may prefer a P3 colourspace image. I'd be interested to know.

 

Here's an Adobe RGB image to try on the computer - and a

Try this

Recent models of iPad, Android (such as Samsung) and iPhone have factory calibration which is pretty reliable, so they are quite consistent - of course brightness is user adjustable. 

IF your main computer screen is correctly calibrated and profiled and if you save images with the sRGB ICC profile embedded they should reproduce well on an iOS or Android device. My iPhone X matches my calibrated Eizo Coloredge screen very well.

Here's an Adobe RGB image to try on the computer - and a version for the 1Pad / Android / iPhone which is in then Dsip;lay P3 colourspace (view this in a browser on the device, the link should open an image)

With all set up correctly on your computer, these should match quite well

 

https://developer.apple.com/design/human-interface-guidelines/ios/visual-design/color/

 

I hope this helps

neil barstow, colourmanagement net :: adobe forum volunteer:: co-author: 'getting colour right'

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(view in a browser on the device)

With all set up correctly on your computer, these should match well

 

https://developer.apple.com/design/human-interface-guidelines/ios/visual-design/color/

 

NB, colourmanagement
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December 9, 2023

@. . did you try that test image on the iPhone and Samsung? It would be interesting to have your feedback

 

I hope this helps
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Conrad_C
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December 6, 2023

Soft proofing works when the selected profile matches output conditions as closely as possible. For print, the profile has to represent not just how the printer affects color, but also the specific ink and paper. There’s a similar problem with doing this for a Samsung phone: There isn’t a single answer because it isn’t just the phone model, it also depends on which screen mode the phone is set to combined with which display settings are enabled.

 

I don’t own a Samsung phone but according to the DisplayMate web site that publishes screen quality tests, a Samsung S10 OLED for example has multiple screen modes in two categories (Natural and Vivid), including:

DCI-P3 Natural

sRGB Natural

Vivid (maximum gamut achievable by the OLED panel, which is not the same 3D volume as standard color gamuts)

Vivid with adjustable white point

 

So, if your phone is set to sRGB Natural, then in Lightroom Classic you could try soft-proofing through the sRGB profile. Similarly, if you set your phone to DCI-P3, then you could try soft-proofing through the Display P3 profile. Both profiles are included with every Mac. If you weren’t aware of Samsung screen modes and you assumed you should soft proof to sRGB but it turns out your phone is set to P3, you could see wrong colors. And if the phone is set to a Vivid mode, colors could look really  intense, maybe more saturated than in real life. So first look into your phone’s color mode.

 

The Vivid modes might not have ICC profiles available for them unless Samsung actually makes them downloadable (unlikely) or somebody profiled their phone (you’d have to search the web). However, the Vivid modes use Adaptive processing to auto-adjust how the picture looks depending on the content and ambient lighting. This continuous adjustment might make it impossible to soft-proof reliably, because the color behavior would be a moving target that changes with different combinations of images and ambient lighting.

 

As with iPhones and Macs, if any other display settings that automatically alter color are on, such as ambient light white point correction or night mode blue light reduction, those will change display colors away from what a profile would have been measured against so you’d have to account for those settings or turn them off.

 

That also means you might get a rather close match if trying to soft-proof your own phone, because you can control the phone settings. But soft proofing can’t guarantee how it would look on anyone else’s phone beccause they might be using a different combination of mode and display settings. For general viewing on any device, you have to stick to soft-proofing to sRGB or P3 and write off the rest, because that depends on how each person adjusted their own phone.

 

There is one more thing. I don’t know how far along Android is today with color management, recognizing the color profile in an image. If an Android app or web browser doesn’t recognize and use embedded color profiles, it may not properly translate image colors for the current screen mode and colors could look wrong. If Android has caught up with the level of system color management Apple has built into macOS and iOS, then you don’t need to worry about this variable. But you’d have to look into it.

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December 6, 2023

My exported photos look the same on my Macbook Pro and on my iPhone. But they look ridicylously too red and saturated on a Samsung phone. So can I add a Samsung phone ICC to my Mac and use Soft Proofing on Lrc to see how they will look on a Samsung phone? If yes, where can I find an ICC file that mimics Samsung phone screens?

Per Berntsen
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December 6, 2023

Android phones aren't color managed, and don't use an ICC profile. So there is no way of previewing what the image will look like on a Samsung phone.

I found this page - https://www.samsung.com/africa_en/support/mobile-devices/how-to-change-the-screen-mode-or-adjust-the-display-color-to-your-preference/ - that describes how to change the screen mode from Vivid to Natural.