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Califdan2
Inspiring
October 20, 2017
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Is there a future for LR Classic?

  • October 20, 2017
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With this weeks announcement one has to wonder what Adobe's strategic plan is for Lightroom.  But, there hare hints.  First of all let's look at product naming.  Why would thay take the name of an existing product (LR CC) and give that name to a new product and then rename the prior product "Classic" (as in "old", or "obsolete")?

To me this is a strong hint that their strategic plan is to move forward with the new CC version and abandon what they now call Classic.  If that were not the case, why not call the pre-existing version "LR Pro", or :"LR Desktop" and the new one "LR Lite" or "Lightroom Elements" or "LR Web" or "LR Mobile"?  There were so many name alternatives that would have made more sense if their intention was to keep both products.  So, I suspect that keeping both products for the long term is not their intent.

Maybe the new CC product is fine for the casual user but the structure of the new LR CC is not conducive to the needs of the professional or advanced photographer.  These are people with multiple terabytes of RAW images,  These are people with multiple catalogs, these are people who do their own high end printing.  These are people who's very livelihood depends on advanced features in both the Library and the Develop module (among others).  I have no doubt that LR/CC will acquire the full range of tools from ACR, but the structure of LR/CC seems to preclude getting advanced features in the Library area.  And, as it seems to be a mainly mobile oriented tool set the idea of a robust print capability is somewhat suspect (how many people print form their iPhone?).

And then there is caqpacity.  Even if Adobe allowed unlimited cloud storage for no extra cost, who can afford the time required to upload 4 or 5 thousand images to the cloud after a shoot?   And, without a folder structure (the lack of which in CC seems to be a fundamental design construct) and non hierarchical keywords managing images becomes a nightmare. Not to mention the current lack of smart collections and publish services which many of us rely on quite heavily. 

So, I am scared that Adobe may just pull the plug on Classic in a year or two.  In fact they have already stated that they will no longer make changes to Classic other than in the Develop Module.  And they really have to do very little to incorporate new Develop Module features since they are coded in the RAW processor that is used by ACR for Photoshop, LR CC, LR Classic, and as I understand even Elements.  For LR Classic all they need to do is add the slider or panel. So, in essence they are stating that they will not be devoting resources to Classic other than adding a slider or panel to operate a new RAW Processor feature.

Remember when in CC/2015.2 they destroyed the Import Dialog in a misguided attempt to "modernize" the process (read dumb down the process)?  Remember the user backlash that eventually forced them to back track?  Well, they didn't give up.  Instead they are doing the same thing but just packaging it differently and extending it beyond just the import dialog.  The seem to be dumbing down the entire product (as they did with the import dialog)  but are trying to avoid the backlash by packaging it in a different product.  Think about this.  What would you be doing right now if they had announced that the only LR going forward was what they now call CC (or even the new CC with all the same develop module tools from Classic) and that the older version would no longer be supported?   I suspect this is their ultimate goal but they are stretching out the implementation to avoid the backlash. 

If you agree with my reasoning and have a problem with what I suspect is the ultimate goal, NOW is the time to let them know.  Don't wait till they pull the plug on Classic which I believe is the ultimate goal.  Let them know NOW that if they do they will have another "improved import dialog" disaster on their hands and it will be much worse as there are now some fine competitive products on the market where their customer base may flee to. 

NOW is the time to let them know that you want Classic to remain, to be supported, and to be upgraded with new features in ALL the modules (not just the Develop Module).   NOW is the time to let them know that LR/CC is not looking like it can be a long term solution to your needs.

Apologies for this rant but fear drives action and I'm scared.

Dan

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Community Expert
October 20, 2017

Lightroom Classic will not disappear until LR CC is at least reasonably feature parity. As you can see from the current release we are VERY far away from that point and I don't see Adobe close that gap anytime soon as these are the same things that have been missing from the mobile versions for years.

JP Hess
Inspiring
October 20, 2017

Personally, I don't think now is the time to start worrying about what the future of Lightroom Classic is or what the future of Lightroom CC is. The new Lightroom CC is in its infancy. In my opinion, it's incomplete and still under development. None of us know where it's heading or what it will include in the future. And trying to guess where things will be in one year, two years, or five years is an exercise in futility. If you want to jump ship, jump. I like Lightroom Classic as it is right now. I'm going to keep using it as I have used Lightroom CC in the past. When/if it doesn't meet my needs then, and only then, will I panic and start looking for something different. In the meantime I'm just going to keep taking pictures and doing what I've been doing in the past.

D Fosse
Community Expert
Community Expert
October 20, 2017

JimHess  wrote

None of us know where it's heading or what it will include in the future. And trying to guess where things will be in one year, two years, or five years is an exercise in futility

All of that is IMO secondary.

The important thing is internet bandwidth. With the current state of internet bandwidth, the fanciest application in the world wouldn't make any difference. It would still be utterly useless for the high-volume/high-speed work some of us need to get done.

That's what worries me. This current "cloud" hype, which everyone seems to buy into uncritically, needs a reality check. Things will have to improve by many, many orders of magnitude before this becomes an option of any relevance at all.

JP Hess
Inspiring
October 20, 2017

And that is precisely why I'm not going to worry about it right now. If I can't use it in the future I won't. I can enjoy it for the time being and until things change. When that happens I'll have to make a decision. But I don't have to do that right now.

99jon
Legend
October 20, 2017
First of all let's look at product naming.  Why would thay take the name of an existing product (LR CC) and give that name to a new product

It’s quite simple. It refers to the entire Creative Cloud ecosystem. The new Lr CC is the missing jigsaw piece for the desktop.

Infographic

Inspiring
October 20, 2017

99Jon said: It’s quite simple. It refers to the entire Creative Cloud ecosystem. The new Lr CC is the missing jigsaw piece for the desktop.

Sorry, but isn't 'simple'.  If you look at the version of LIghtroom before the current release, it was called 'Photoshop Lightroom CC'.  They are not introducing a new product to fill a hole in their CC lineup.

Your infographic is not showing the 'Creative Cloud'.  Rather, it is showing how a few products within CC link to each other.  Every current Adobe product has 'CC' as part of its name.  That simply places it within the delivery framework and release timeline. And, none of the other CC products are 100% tied in to cloud storage.

Inspiring
October 20, 2017

I agree - Classic will be gone within two years based on current plans.  I agree about the name change. I've been 'ranting'. BUt, to be successful, 'big name' photographers, commentators and Adobe users will need to speak up.  The big question is: will they?