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ItWasNotMe
ItWasNotMe
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October 24, 2017
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Just when will Adobe fix the bugs with Capture Date?

  • October 24, 2017
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Yet another release, no action.

When I just did a search, some of the results were errors that were reported 9 - Yes thats Nine, not a typing error - Years ago and that still exist

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    ItWasNotMe
    ItWasNotMeAuthor
    Known Participant
    October 25, 2017

    Another day, another user with a date problem Date time - original vs. Date time digitized

    At Adobe Max, they released Lightroom Classic, did they get acquired by one of the cola companies?

    Seems more like Lightroom Zero given how few bugs they fix.

    johnrellis
    johnrellis
    Legend
    October 24, 2017

    I think it's pretty clear that Adobe has no intention of fixing the capture-date bugs that involve scans (photos with no assigned capture date when they're imported) before LR 7 (Classic) is cancelled.  LR has long had the guiding philosophy that it's not for general purpose image assets but rather focused on images that are derived from digital cameras; scans don't come from digital cameras, and fewer and fewer people are making scans.  (I'm in that small minority.)  There's a simple but annoying workaround for the bug.

    A couple months ago an engineer asked me for a recipe to reproduce the problem, which I dutifully produced.  He was likely in the "fix some bugs" mode that traditional product teams get into prior to a major release and his manager asked him to take a look.  The bugs weren't fixed in LR 7.0.  The cause of the bugs is an exceedingly poor architectural design for handling capture dates, and fixing and testing it could very well take many, many person-weeks, since it probably touches many areas of the code.  

    Adobe has started half-heartedly fixing time zone problems with imported video from popular brands (Apple, Canon). To be fair to Adobe, these problems were caused by a bigger industry mess with the definition of the QuickTime / MP4 standard. 

    LR 7 introduced another time zone bug for photos synced from LR Mobile to LR 7.  I'd bet even odds that Adobe might fix this soon, since the sync area of the code is probably still fresh in some engineer's mind.

    ItWasNotMe
    ItWasNotMeAuthor
    Known Participant
    October 24, 2017

    Its not just on scans that the behaviour of capture dates is perverse, try this:

    Heres an example that requires very few minutes to execute.

    1. Create brand new catalog with latest 'Classic' (version 7.0 release Camera Raw 10.0), catalog preferences set to write changes into XMP, Metadata pane showing 'Default'

    2. Choose Two Images from a supported camera (in my case Nikon D200) with dates that are far apart, note the dates shown

    3. On oldest image Menu->Metadata->Copy Metadata, check select all, Copy

    4. On newest image Menu->Metadata->Paste Metadata

    Does the displayed capture date change for the second image - No

    Now go back to first image

    5. Menu->Edit Capture Time and change the capture time to something else, but still different to that for second image

    Does the displayed capture date change for the first image - Yes

    Now repeat the copy of all Metadata from first image to second image

    Does the displayed capture date change for the second image - No

    Edit Capture Time on second image - still shows original date from import

    Now I no longer have the earlier Lightroom available (is that now called Vintage?) but it may well be that this was partially 'fixed' by just removing the fields from the copy/paste menu dialogs.

    johnrellis
    johnrellis
    Legend
    October 24, 2017

    Unfortunately, LR has never provided a way to copy and paste capture date or set a selection of photos to all have the same capture date.  See this long-standing feature request: Lightroom: Edit Capture Time issue - Need a way to set all photos selected to same date & time | Photoshop Family Custom…

    Bob Somrak
    Bob Somrak
    Legend
    October 24, 2017

    It seems that the filter and smart collection problems in Library will probably never be fixed as some of them have been in Lightroom since the beginning.  It essentially makes the results of photo searches unreliable and by extension makes a MAJOR selling point of Lightroom (the DAM) unreliable.

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    Cornelia-I
    Inspiring
    October 24, 2017

    Which bug(s) do you refer to?

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