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Participating Frequently
August 24, 2010

Is there any new ifnormation on Lightroom 3.2 official? I'm still dying for a cure here. I've all but given up on Adobe. Clients have all but given up on me.

Participant
August 24, 2010

Just checked a few minutes ago ... still "only" Lightroom 3.2 RC - which is what I'm doing my production work with ... so far I'm still pretty happy with it ...

Best regards,

Harald

August 17, 2010

I have to say that compared to the original v0 download version that this 3.2rc is an exponential

improvement.

There are still some issues with rendering, and rerendering .. and rerendering.. but it's been mentioned in previous posts, and I'm sure it'll get fixed prior to the official upgrade.

Thanks Adobe.  (everything I had been P _ _ _ ed off about has been given a sizable speed increase)

Good Work!

Participating Frequently
August 17, 2010

Be careful about that assessment just yet. I thought the same thing until put it through it's paces. 1 week later I'm right back where I started... 15-20 second load times just moving from one image to the next. Basically, the software is useless at this point and I'm currently looking for alternatives.

August 18, 2010

(I must admit, I've been treating it very carefully, and taking it a lot slower than I was with LR 2.7 because this is only partly tested.. so you're right in my early euphoria about some things being fixed, might be too quick to judge properly)

Participating Frequently
August 17, 2010

Well, chaps, I am going to have to hang my head in shame and eat humble pie here. I have been horribly guilty of making subjective judgements not based on proper scientific data.

Last night I purged the ACR Cache and did some testing in the Develop Module loading files, timing everything just using the second hand on my wrist watch. The ACR cache is working properly, and it does make a significant difference. The results are -

Load uncached, unedited image - 15 secs

Load same image, with cache - 10 secs

This is consistent, and is 30% faster. So why didn't I notice this? Well, the reason is simple. I always work on one photograph at a time, and never do any sort of batch processing - every image has different edits. The only reason I ever load a file into the develop module is to edit it, so I never load it again cached and without edits. Editing the file makes the load slower, so that even with the cache it takes 12-13 secs, which is so similar that I perceived it as the same.

The next horrible error was to think that LR 2.7 was faster. I thought it was, but running the same test the load results were the same - 15s with no cache and 10s with the cache. So why did it seem faster? Once again, the reason is subjective. In Win 7, LR2 just displays a "Loading" notice. LR3 displays the "spinning circle" as well. Because the spinning circle sort of hesitates and freezes at intervals during the load, it made it seem to me that LR3 was slower.

So to sum up - the ACR cache makes a 30% reduction in load time with an unedited image. But once the image is edited, the difference is much less, about 10%. When this represents either 15s or 13.5s, you really hardly notice. I think that for me, at any rate, once a process of any sort on the PC goes above 10 sec it just seems slow. Slight differences of 2 or 3 secs above this are of little consequence.

John

areohbee
Legend
August 17, 2010

John,

I sense you've slapped yourself around a bit already so I won't venture to do it more, and anyway I find your candor refreshing.

15 uncached & 10 cached seems pretty good for a 39MP file. It seems like Lr3 is working about as it should for you, I guess.

Not sure how to reconcile Bob Frost's subsecond rendering with all this, but his data is definitely not in with the clustering (meaning it is unusual).

I'm starting to suspect my 3:1 ratio (cached versus non-cached) is also unusual, although I don't have enough data for a curve yet.

At some point I'm gonna get tired of all this talking about it, but at this point I'm still curious what others times are for comparison.

Rob

Participating Frequently
August 17, 2010

After running about 10,000 new photos through 3.2, addiding to a bloated 217,000 image catalog, I see definate improvements. Thanks Adobe for killing some bugs. I am sure the next version will be better still.

Better

* Brush performance improved

* Program opens and default catalog loads more quickly

* Simultaneous preview rendering and import from card reader no longer freezing program

* Herky-jerky "move folders within LR" issues gone

Don't like

* No default keyword option on import

Participating Frequently
August 16, 2010

I am puzzled about what the ACR cache really does, quite frankly. I get pretty much the same delay loading an image into the Develop module whether it is in the cache or not. The only thing which actually seems to affect the load time is how many edits have been made to the image, specifically perspective correction and local brush edits. They really slow things down. But I can purge the ACR Cache and afterwards I see no real difference in performance, either faster or slower. Mind you, I have probably have the worst-case scenario (or close to it) with 39MP files from a Hasselblad back, which expand to a 230MB 16-bit rendered image.

John

areohbee
Legend
August 16, 2010

John,

I had a problem with identical symptoms when I first started using 3.2RC, but now I don't have the problem anymore (I said more about that in a previous post in this thread).

It sounds like Lr is rendering your photos from scratch each time and not using the ACR cache (properly).

Try this:

- Open the cache folder in Explorer or Finder and delete everything in it.

- In develop mode, switch back and forth between the same two photos a few times.

How many entries are in your cache now?

If more than two then you have the same problem I had. If exactly two then I don't have a clue (how long is your render time? how big are the cache files?). If less than two then that explains your problem but its different than what mine was.

Rob

Participating Frequently
August 16, 2010

Thanks, Rob, I will try that when I get home tonight. I have already put the cache in the root of my C: drive as you suggested.

John

Participant
August 13, 2010

In general I'm so pleased with 3.2 RC (64 Bit on Windows 7 Ultimate) that I use it for my production work. One issue very annoying for me hasn't been resolved yet: Like many I'm using keywords to organize my photos. Normally I work on a collection of photos with a given keyword like "event xyz" (so I filter my photos by this keyword). When I edit an image in Photoshop CS5 (64 Bit), save it and return to Lightroom the edited photo isn't shown (in Lightroom 2.x it was).

Two "workarounds": Exit Lightroom, Reopen it, Photo is there! Alternatively, deactivate Filter, locate edited image, remove keyword from image, add keyword to image ...

Please, Adobe, get this fixed for LR 3.2 Final!

Participating Frequently
August 12, 2010

Tom Hogarty wrote:

This release includes camera support, bug fixes and new features.  Details here:

http://blogs.adobe.com/lightroomjournal/2010/08/lightroom-3-2-and-came ra-raw-6-2-available-on-adobe-labs.html

Regards,

Tom Hogarty

Lightroom, Camera Raw and DNG Product Manager

All,

I noted no "export" related fixes listed in Tom's note references above.  I am still experiencing a signficant difference in export times between LR 2.7 and LR 3.x.  Timings are consistently double for the exact same images, exported exactly the same way, to exactly the same location.  I have attempted to match all settings as much as possible (given 2003 vs. 2010 process model).  I have not tried an export of the same images under 2003 un LR 3.x yet.  Is anyone else seeing major differences in export and have you reported it?  I just did, but just checking with the group.

Jay S.

Just a postscript to the above.  Reverting to 2003 Process model and unchecking Lens correction brought export times "closer" to 2.7.  The bigger offender (at least here) was the Lens Correction module.  Process 2010 added only about 2 seconds to export.  The bulk came from the lens correction added to the images to be exported.  Would be curious if others see similar results. Jay S.

areohbee
Legend
August 12, 2010

Although I haven't specifically tested Lens Correction's effect on Export times, I have certainly become aware of the time it takes for Lightroom to compute the profile-based lens corrections (multiple seconds). It makes sense this would always be added to export times since exports always illicit a re-rendering from scratch.

I would like to see the option to declare a photo 'Done' in Lightroom and have it be locked for editing, and at that time, re-render or save the final RGB image so that exports and viewing are forever speedy for "Done" photos.

Inspiring
August 12, 2010

Error when adding Date/Time to filename on import: This is a frequently reported bug in LR3 but is not mentioned as a fix in 3.2. When will this be addressed?? I sent a report several weeks ago and I know others have as well. When renaming on import, the time in the filename is shifted back by 4 hours. Problem occurs on both the desktop and laptop installations. I now import without renaming and need to remember to rename all files AFTER import to get an accurate time in the filename. My son, also on 2 computers, on a separate license in a distant city has the same bug. Others have complained as well. This is a big pain in the neck and seems like it should be a pretty simple fix. Please help us out!

Participating Frequently
August 12, 2010

SSwayze wrote:

Error when adding Date/Time to filename on import: This is a frequently reported bug in LR3 but is not mentioned as a fix in 3.2. When will this be addressed?? I sent a report several weeks ago and I know others have as well. When renaming on import, the time in the filename is shifted back by 4 hours. Problem occurs on both the desktop and laptop installations. I now import without renaming and need to remember to rename all files AFTER import to get an accurate time in the filename. My son, also on 2 computers, on a separate license in a distant city has the same bug. Others have complained as well. This is a big pain in the neck and seems like it should be a pretty simple fix. Please help us out!

I've come across this bug too. For me it was only one hours difference. Someone told me it has to do with which time zone you're in.

Now I've rethought my file naming scheme. I just do a letter (designating the camera used) and a serial number.

Participant
August 12, 2010

I have tried several times to install the release candidate.  However, I do not think it is actually being installed. I see no publishing option for facebook and the version still says 3.0.

Any thoughts on how I can know for certain and if it is not installing, what I may be able to do?

Running on Mac, in case it matters.

Thanks

Participating Frequently
August 12, 2010

If you're on a mac, then it does not replace the 3.0 install.  Look into your Applications folder, you should see a Lightroom 3.2RC app in addition to the 3.0.  Click on that one, not the 3.0...

If it's not there, then it didn't install!


Cheers!

areohbee
Legend
August 12, 2010

One thing thats faster in 3.2RC than 3.0 for me is the before/after switching in develop mode. In 3.0 it was sometimes fairly fast, and sometimes very slow. So far in 3.2RC it has always been fast. And, since I use it way too much it's great that its working better - .

Rob