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lightroom raw file problem

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October 29, 2021
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Since the upgrade to lightroom classic 11 the imported raw files look exactly the same as the imported jpeg files (i shoot raw+jpeg) Before version 11 the raw file looked duller, flat. They needed some editing. But now the raw files look like they are already edited in some way because it is hard to tell the difference between them and the jpeg file. I use standard colour space for the jpeg files.

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Thanks all for taking the time to help me out.

Todd Shaner

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If you like a less processed starting point Adobe Standard is a good choice. You could also try Adobe Neutral or Camera Neutral, but may find you need to do more editing to get the desured final rendering. You may also find with certain subjects apllying a different camera profile will get you to the desired rendering a lot quicker. You can open the Profile Browser and use mouse rollover to preview the camera profiles.

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Anonymous

Thanks will have a look into that.

Todd Shaner

Legend

In your original post you said:

Before version 11 the raw file looked duller, flat. They needed some editing. But now the raw files look like they are already edited in some way because it is hard to tell the difference between them and the jpeg file.

Then you said in your latest reply:

Guess i have to try and get used to the way lightroom now shows me the unedited raw files. Dont like them that way but don't think i can do much about it.

Most users complain that the Adobe default develop settings don't match the in-camera JPEG file. In your case it's a very close match so I'm confused why you don't like that rendering. Most likely the difference you remember seeing previously is with Adobe Standard before Adobe Color became the default camera profile. Going forward you can use the Edit> Preferences> Raw Defaults tool to use a preset for your camera with whatever camera profile and other settings that provide your desired rendering. I created default settings presets for all of my cameras that apply a ColorChecker Passport calibration camera profile.

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Anonymous

Too me the rendering now looks too edited after importing the photos and that is even without me doing some editing.

Am just a beginner as far as photography goes. Everybody sees things different and what for one person is pleasding to the eye as far as colours goes could be the opposite for someone else. But that is a good thing, would be very boring if everybody is exactly the same.

I made some wuick test shots this morning of the street i live in. Will use those to make a preset that works for me.

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Jao vdL

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Do realize that some versions of Lightroom ago, the default adobe profile changed to "Adobe Color", which is more contrasty than the older default "Adobe Standard". On my Nikon Z7, there is very little difference between the "camera standard" profile and the "Adobe Color" profile. Some subtle color shifts but nothing major. The difference to "Adobe Standard" is much bigger as it clearly has a much more gradual contrast curve.

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Jao vdL

Community Expert

Can you post a raw and a jpeg file (post a link to dropbox)? With the settings as you changed them, the raw (take it into develop and back to ensure the preview is updated) should look different from the jpeg. With some images the difference might not be large though. Definitely if the setting is set to camera settings, the raw and jpeg should look very close to identical but after you changed that setting to Adobe default, hitting reset on the already imported images, or importing new images should give you the expected result of different rendering.

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Anonymous

I have uploaded some raw+jpeg files to my google drive. When i open these in lightroom the raw files and jpegs look almost identical to me.

This is thre link: https:// drive.google.com/drive/folders/1tMm92VVKwCi0jhhbCLe7XW0Wptb9_St_?usp=sharing

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Jao vdL

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I looked at them and the differences are tiny. These are the typical kind of image that you will not see much difference between the in-camera rendering and the adobe default as long as you keep the camera on very conservative settings. You can see the difference between adobe default and camera settings by opening the raw file in Develop and hovering your mouse over the two presets (adobe default and camera settings) in the preset panel on the left and just move your mouse p and down between the two. You'll see subtle changes in the blues of the boxes below the TV and a bit in the color of the wall. You'll also see a bit of change in the color of the wood. This is expected for an image such as this that does not have very strong color areas. In the dog image you see the same effect. This is normal. You should not see much difference between the two except subtle color shifts such as this. Again this is only true if you didn't dial in any special settings such as automatic contrast and such in the camera or a more spicy rendering style such as vivid or landscape. In that case the difference will be bigger. For normal camera settings, default should be pretty close (but not quite the same if you look carefully) to in-camera jpeg. That is by design.

If you like to start with a flatter look, just set Adobe standard (which is less contrasty than Adobe Color) as the default profile for this camera (take a shot, select the Adobe Standard profile, create a new preset. Set this preset as the default for the camera in the already mentioned interface in preferences.

DdeGannes

Community Expert

I would suggest you create a preset for your Camera which includes the "Adobe Neutral Profile". If necessary import a new sample raw file. Change the Profile to the Adobe Neutral Profile, the change sliders back to "0". Name the user preset and save.

Next set up your Default Develop setting for the Camera and select the Preset as the default.

See the screen captures.

Regards, Denis: iMac 27” mid-2015, macOS 11.7.10 Big Sur; 2TB SSD, 24 GB Ram, GPU 2 GB; LrC 12.5,; Lr 6.5, PS 24.7,; ACR 15.5,; (also Laptop Win 11, ver 24H2, LrC 15.0.1, PS 27.0; ) Camera Oly OM-D E-M1.

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Anonymous

I already did that and it does not fix the problem.

Todd Shaner

Legend

Please follow the below steps 1 & 2 to revert to Adobe Default Setting instead of Camera Settings. Use steps 3 & 4 to delete the camera models no longer needed.

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Anonymous

I had to do the steps 1,3 and 4 first becasue once i uncheck the box in step 2 the camera setting below it is greyed out.

I restarted laptop and adobe Lightroom but still the same. Why does everybody keep telling me that a raw file looks identical to the out of the camera jpeg file of the same photo? I never had that, raw files always looked a bit duller, flatter untill the update toLrC v11

JohanElzenga

Community Expert

@21481561 wrote:

I had to do the steps 1,3 and 4 first becasue once i uncheck the box in step 2 the camera setting below it is greyed out.

I restarted laptop and adobe Lightroom but still the same. Why does everybody keep telling me that a raw file looks identical to the out of the camera jpeg file of the same photo? I never had that, raw files always looked a bit duller, flatter untill the update toLrC v11

I'm not sure who "everybody" is, but if you had asked me, I certainly would not have told you that, because it isn't true. A jpeg out of the camera is edited by the in-camera software. A raw out of that camera is not. That is exactly why you shoot raw in the first place. You do not want some automatic routine edit your images, you want to do that yourself to get the results you like best.

-- Johan W. Elzenga

JohanElzenga

Community Expert

Sounds like you import with "Embedded & Sidecar" previews, while previously you did not.

-- Johan W. Elzenga

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Anonymous

No, that is set to standard

GoldingD

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So, upon import, the in camera settings are being honored. I suspect a camera matching profile is applied as opposed to an Adobe standard one.

Hence, the RAW has some modifications applied in LrC to try to match those settings, specifically the in camera film simulation or whatever term Sony calls that. (Picture Profiles?)

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Anonymous

In the camera the creative style is set to standard, that has been since i have the camera. DRO/Auto HDR set to off. Picture profile has always been set to off. So i have bo clue why LrC is applying something to the raw files. It is either some hidden setting in LrC11 or a bug or my camera is shooting uncompressed jpegs instead of raw and normal jpegs.

This started after the update to LrC11, before that the raw files looked flat, now they look like the out of camera jpegs.

GoldingD

Legend

In tnat RAW defaults, change it to Adobe Default

GoldingD

Legend

In preferences, bring up the Presets tab, look at the RAW Defaults panel, had you perhaps altered that previously?

https://helpx.adobe.com/lightroom-classic/help/raw-defaults.html

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Anonymous

I have not altered anything in preferences. I have 3 camera under camera and i have set the sony a7rii as default and camera settings. The other 2 cameras in there i don't own anymore. I do not know how to get them out of the list, they are a panasonic fz1000 and sony a6400. Neither of those 2 set as default. The only thing that keeps happening is that whenever i close the preferences and re open them in presets the fz1000 is shown under camera.

I have added a screenshot of the preference/preset tab and its settings.

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