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August 16, 2018
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LR-ACR & uncovered ground

  • August 16, 2018
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Hi, I have been trying to use the tools in LR to do all my adjustments on raw files.  In LR I find that the grid used in the transform panel is too large, in the adjustment brush panel the magnification is not powerful enough to be useful/accurate.  I found that I could not save these to check/edit in camera raw, ( they open in ACR w/o transform and w/o masks and local adjustments.  In ACR I find that the brush remains too small at it's smallest setting to be useful as you can't erase to a smal/sharp point with a feather.  The setting 1 (no decimal possible) is unfeathered and does not look right with other edges feathered.  I must be missing something here as there appears to be far too many obstacles to getting the work done.

Please comment I'm losing a lot of time.

Thanks

Chris

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Correct answer elie_dinur

>> "I found that I could not save these to check/edit in camera raw, ( they open in ACR w/o transform and w/o masks and local adjustments."

That has not been my experience. Right-click on the edited image in LR, select Edit in ... and Open as Smart Object. The image opens in PS with all LR edits; double-click on the layer thumbnail to open ACR with all LR edits.

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Just Shoot Me
Legend
August 16, 2018

In LR the ACR (YES LR has Adobe Camera RAW. It is Built Into LR) edits are store in the Catalog file by default.

If you want to see the LR edits on the image when opened in the Adobe Camera RAW plugin then you need to either turn on Auto Write changes to XMP in the catalog Settings dialog or do a Save Metadata to file found in the Metadata menu item or use the keyboard shortcut Ctrl + s.

Then when opened in ACR you will see all of the edits you did in LR.

mal25Author
Known Participant
August 17, 2018

Hi thanks for responding, "Auto write.." was checked plus I did a manual "Save to File but open as a smart object did work.

elie_dinur
elie_dinurCorrect answer
Participating Frequently
August 16, 2018

>> "I found that I could not save these to check/edit in camera raw, ( they open in ACR w/o transform and w/o masks and local adjustments."

That has not been my experience. Right-click on the edited image in LR, select Edit in ... and Open as Smart Object. The image opens in PS with all LR edits; double-click on the layer thumbnail to open ACR with all LR edits.

mal25Author
Known Participant
August 16, 2018

That is brilliant.  Once done it does open in ACR with all corrections and masks.

Thank you.

Bob Somrak
Legend
August 16, 2018

In ACR you can zoom to 1600% and in Lightroom to 11:1 and use the adjustment brush.  How much more accuracy do you need?

In transform you can change the grid size to a very small size

M4 Pro Mac Mini. 48GB
Community Expert
August 16, 2018

To change the spacing of the grid that is overlaid in Transform, hold the Ctrl key (Windows) / Cmd key, and a little control panel appears at the top of the image area. Within this you can change the grid spacing to a larger or smaller number (I think the number is screen pixels) and also change the opacity of the grid overlay.

As for precise brushing, LR is largely designed with a fairly broad-brush (pun only partly intended) working method in mind. The nature of the adjustments applied by a brushed mask as well as the tools offered for making and altering masks, are tuned to be as un-finicky as possible and that carries with it, certain limitations for those trying to work in the same way they might in (say) Photoshop. Many people will turn to Photoshop itself for that kind of requirement. Such as extractions etc, which are outside of LR's remit.

I summarise this as: Lightroom for adjusting, Photoshop for altering. Under that conception, only 'altering' really ever depends on achieving a precise edge IMO. An adjustment can however be set to affect only certain tones in its action, either natively (e.g. by choosing say Highlights rather than Exposure) or else via the range masking feature. And that helps obviate the need for a really detailed mask to be made in the first place - it can be left much more approximate.

That said, a pretty respectable mask can still be achieved in LR via Automask and the "dab" method - i.e. largish highly feathered brush, clicking in place rather than "drag painting", whereby a similar selection gets added / subtracted for each new click,  based on whatever colour's right under the brush crosshair each time. A heavily adjusted version of the image may help in achieving such a mask within this technique, either with the desired image adjustments reinstated from history once that's done, or else via a temporary virtual copy which is then thrown away.

JP Hess
Inspiring
August 16, 2018

I cannot comment on the size of the brushes in Lightroom or Camera Raw. That is something that you will have to work out on your computer. However, there is no correlation between Lightroom and the Camera Raw plug-in because they are completely independent and do not work together. Camera Raw is for Photoshop and is not connected with Lightroom other than to facilitate the transfer of raw images from Lightroom to Photoshop.