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LrC edits completely disappearing randomly

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September 3, 2023
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Last night I was working on a set of photos and using the AI Denoise relatively frequently. Not sure if it is related, but I've lost at least 4 full edits in this set already in 1-2 hours of working on this catalog.

Is it possible the catalog is corrupt (I created a new catalog for this import, so that any existing issues with another catalog wouldn't affect it), or is it because of using AI Denoise, or would this have anything to do with the photos living on an external drive vs the local hard drive? I cannot for the life of me figure out what the problem is, but definitely cannot keep spending time on edits that disappear spontaneously. Never had this issue with Lightroom Classic before but I have seen it in Capture One once before.

Quite simply put, a photo will suddenly revert to its original state without any of its edits and I believe I have not touched or done anything. There is no "undo" option. The edits are just lost and I've rebuilt them each time this happened.

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ismdc8

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I am having the exact same issue - it is absolutely infuriating. Did you ever get it resolved? As I edited about 2,000 photos I am not really intreseted in Per Bernsten's resolution - at this point the software is not useable.

DdeGannes

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Lightroom Classic can only sync one Catalog to your Creative Cloud account, so since you likely synced a second Catalog then returned to to the original things may have got muddled. Do you recall getting a warning dialog when you switched the Catalog?
You may need to Reset your sync data see the link below for for more info. You can also do an online search for other options.

https://lightroomkillertips.com/sync-stuck/

Regards, Denis: iMac 27” mid-2015, macOS 11.7.10 Big Sur; 2TB SSD, 24 GB Ram, GPU 2 GB; LrC 12.5,; Lr 6.5, PS 24.7,; ACR 15.5,; (also Laptop Win 11, ver 24H2, LrC 15.0.1, PS 27.0; ) Camera Oly OM-D E-M1.

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defaultf2hu7rkhenizAuteur

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Thank you Denis, I actually did not sync it to Creative Cloud but instead stored it in iCloud and then accessed on another computer. I have since not used that catalog (moved the latest version and used it in a non-Cloud location from then on) but still would receive a notice each time I opened Lightroom. If I would try to fix whatever the popup said, it would not, but all my catalogs seemed to be functioning normally so I had it dismiss this popup.

Now I am wondering if the issue with losing edits is mainly related to the speed of the external drive containing the raw files. I cannot think of any other change on my end (user) which may lead to different performance. If transitioning from full screen to grid view often results in edits disappearing I imagine the original file needs to be accessed, which could cause some issue if it cannot happen fast enough? Not sure. I use standard previews when importing so that is fine for editing within the window but as I understand so far, the original file needs to be accessed for a larger preview or more zooming in. Do you think this is why the program is doing this? It is super strange to me that there is no "undo" for such a sudden reset of all the sliders.

DdeGannes

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@defaultf2hu7rkheniz , you have stated.

" Thank you Denis, I actually did not sync it to Creative Cloud but instead stored it in iCloud and then accessed on another computer. I have since not used that catalog (moved the latest version and used it in a non-Cloud location from then on) but still would receive a notice each time I opened Lightroom.".

Lightroom Classic is a non destructive editor, it never actually changes the original images all the edits are stored in the LrC Catalog file. If you sent copies of the images to iCloud the original images would be sent to storage in iCloud and the edits would not be viewable outside of Lightroom Classic.

You would have to first export the images from Lightroom to a folder on your computer those images will have the edits done in Lightroom written into the newly created copies. Those copies should than be sent to iCloud storage for viewing with other applications.

Other applications cannot read the edits that are stored in the Lightroom Catalog.

Regards, Denis: iMac 27” mid-2015, macOS 11.7.10 Big Sur; 2TB SSD, 24 GB Ram, GPU 2 GB; LrC 12.5,; Lr 6.5, PS 24.7,; ACR 15.5,; (also Laptop Win 11, ver 24H2, LrC 15.0.1, PS 27.0; ) Camera Oly OM-D E-M1.

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defaultf2hu7rkhenizAuteur

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Denis, I have a question based on something you said as well -

My first LrC catalog I sync'd with iCloud, it became corrupt because they were not syc'd properly.

After that, every time I would open LrC it would say there was an issue, but it could not be repaired and nothing would perform badly.

I don't use that catalog any more but is this going to be an ongoing problem? I would not be inclined to believe this is related to the current losing edit issue, as it has not happened on any other catalog so far, but including it here.

Also, Capture One folk requested some information in order to look into the loss of the edit, but at that point I was just too frustrated with the program in general to continue so I did not pursue it. I have not tried to open those files in another system at all.

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defaultf2hu7rkhenizAuteur

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"When you imported the images into the new Catalog all the edits you did to the original images would be applied at import"

There are no edits. Original raw files were imported into a brand new Catalog. There is no concurrent work in Capture One. That is a completely separate batch of images. I sometimes will start a new Catalog for a new type of shoot so this is approximately my 10th new Catalog, with all the settings as they were except changing to backing up on each exit. Automatically write into XMP was not checked but it has not been in the past 5 Catalogs either. (However, thank you for mentioning as I will alter that in future, having wondered about the safety of the metadata for prior collections. )

I believe it is LrC v12.4 Camera Raw 15.4

Macbook Pro M2 on Ventura 13.1 - again all of the other catalogs operated fine.

The only difference is that I began using a connected spinning hard drive on a dock converter w USB-C to USB-A for editing rather than onboard hard drive storage. I have not been doing this for long. Could the increased slowness have caused some kind of issue with speed? People used Photoshop with spinning drives for ages. But perhaps the "effort" required in denoising is too much. What do you think?

DdeGannes

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@KR Seals , I do not know what is happening but if he was not "Automatically writing Metadata to XMP" or saving that manually from the menu bar the edits he did in the original Catalog would not be applied to the import to the new Catalog..

Sorry for the confusion but I did not address the second part of the Author's inquiry.

With respect to Capture One I am presently not using that application.

Also if he is not saving Metadata to XMP the work done with the original Catalog would not affect the second Catalog,

Lightroom Classic can only open and communicate with one Catalog, at any point in time.

Regards, Denis: iMac 27” mid-2015, macOS 11.7.10 Big Sur; 2TB SSD, 24 GB Ram, GPU 2 GB; LrC 12.5,; Lr 6.5, PS 24.7,; ACR 15.5,; (also Laptop Win 11, ver 24H2, LrC 15.0.1, PS 27.0; ) Camera Oly OM-D E-M1.

DdeGannes

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@KR Seals , I am sorry, I thought I was responding to the Author's post to my original response. I now notice that he has not responded.

Regards, Denis: iMac 27” mid-2015, macOS 11.7.10 Big Sur; 2TB SSD, 24 GB Ram, GPU 2 GB; LrC 12.5,; Lr 6.5, PS 24.7,; ACR 15.5,; (also Laptop Win 11, ver 24H2, LrC 15.0.1, PS 27.0; ) Camera Oly OM-D E-M1.

KR Seals

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What is your process in using LrC and Capture one concurrently? Start to finish, please.

Where the original photo files are located should have no effect on the processing steps. If the connection to the drive is interrupted, you will be a file missing indication (!), If you are using smart previews, you won't even miss a beat. This problem seems strictly related to the catalog.

Ken Seals - Nikon Z 9, Z 8, 14mm-800mm. Computer Win 11 Pro, I7-14700K, 64GB, RTX3070TI. Travel machine: 2021 MacBook Pro M1 MAX 64GB. All Adobe apps.

DdeGannes

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When you imported the images into the new Catalog all the edits you did to the original images would be applied at import.

P.S. The post was intended for the Author of the thread.

Regards, Denis: iMac 27” mid-2015, macOS 11.7.10 Big Sur; 2TB SSD, 24 GB Ram, GPU 2 GB; LrC 12.5,; Lr 6.5, PS 24.7,; ACR 15.5,; (also Laptop Win 11, ver 24H2, LrC 15.0.1, PS 27.0; ) Camera Oly OM-D E-M1.

KR Seals

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@DdeGannes Would that situation cause a metadata mismatch error?

Ken Seals - Nikon Z 9, Z 8, 14mm-800mm. Computer Win 11 Pro, I7-14700K, 64GB, RTX3070TI. Travel machine: 2021 MacBook Pro M1 MAX 64GB. All Adobe apps.

DdeGannes

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At @defaultf2hu7rkheniz , you stated

"Is it possible the catalog is corrupt (I created a new catalog for this import, so that any existing issues with another catalog wouldn't affect it), or is it because of using AI Denoise, or would this have anything to do with the photos living on an external drive vs the local hard drive?"

Please indicate if you have the option "Automatically write Metadata to XMP" sellected in the original Catalog?

Regards, Denis: iMac 27” mid-2015, macOS 11.7.10 Big Sur; 2TB SSD, 24 GB Ram, GPU 2 GB; LrC 12.5,; Lr 6.5, PS 24.7,; ACR 15.5,; (also Laptop Win 11, ver 24H2, LrC 15.0.1, PS 27.0; ) Camera Oly OM-D E-M1.

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