Skip to main content
Participant
January 22, 2022
Answered

P: CR/Lr select subject not working properly

  • January 22, 2022
  • 9 replies
  • 8194 views

I recently upgraded to a new 14" Macbook Pro from an older 2017 13" Macbook Pro for smoother and faster photo editing. I love the new laptop and it performs great, except for the fact that the select subject feature in ACR is not nearly as accurate as on my previous Macbook. I just did a little test to see what the effect would be in Lightroom and there the select subject is just as accurate as before.

Is there a setting that I can change to increase the accuracy or is this a problem that occurs with the latest version of ACR?

P.S. I prefer editing my images with Adobe Bridge and ACR rather that with Lightroom

This topic has been closed for replies.
Correct answer Rikk Flohr_Photography

Adding Ian's bug number - setting status. 

9 replies

Participating Frequently
June 22, 2022

This bug is a known behaviour of "Select subject tool" in Camera Raw module under Rosetta-started-application for couple of months already, now up to version 14.4. 
You will ALWAYS get corrupted "Select subject" mask WHEN your hosting application (Bridge, Photoshop. Lightroom) will be launched in Rosetta mode.
If you are launching Camera Raw from Bridge, you are out of luck, Bridge IS STILL NOT Apple silicon native.

When you are starting Camera Raw from Photoshop or Lightroom, make sure you are NOT starting under Rosetta, and everything will be fine.

You might want to start Photoshop in Rosetta mode in case you still want to use legacy Filter/Plugins, which are not Apple silicon optimised, like for example in my case Anthropics Portrait Studio Pro, or Flaming Pear Software Flexify 2.
If you start host application natively, you will not see this legacy plugins anymore in the menus, they will not load. Then - If you start Camera Raw module, your "Select subject mask" will be corrupted.

Photoshop runs natively since March 2021, dear Adobe, could you please finally deliver Apple Silicon native Bridge as well?

Or - at least - fix this "Select subject" bug in Camera Raw called from Rosetta started applications. 

Many of us batch process files with Bridge, without need to import and catalogue everything, and all the edits will be saved in .XMP sidecar files. 

And no, opening files in Photoshop is not a solution, because you have to save copy of your edits in a another heavy separate Photoshop file, if you want to keep non destructive edits like in RAW+XMP tandem.

Known Participant
June 16, 2022

You're right! I had "open using Rosetta" in the info panel checked. That resulted in LRC selecting everything of other things and never the subject.

 

I unchecked the box and voila...LRC seems to mask as designed.

 

Thanks,


Ken W

Known Participant
June 15, 2022

Since installation of LRC 11.4 have been unable to auto mask subjects (mask>subject).

 

When trying, masking takes place haphazardly throughout image regardless of image type. e.g. JPG, RAW, PNG, etc.

 

When trying to invert, the entire image is overlayed with the mask.

 

This is before any adjustments are attempted, e.g. exposure, contrast, etc.

 

Have contacted Adobe tech support and they have witness the problem (through screen share) but are unable to provide solution...as of yet.

 

This anomoly also takes place in PS Camera Raw.

 

Have uninstalled and reinstalled apps several times with no resultant corrections.

 

Note that the other masking functions (spherical, linear gradient, color range, luminance range and brush (including add/subtract on applied masks) appear to operate normally.

 

Any ideas out there? Is anyone else experiencing this problem, especially with M1 Max chip set(s)

 

System specs: Mac Studio M1 Max chipset, LRC 11.4, MacOS 12.4, Camera Raw 14.4.0.1121

Known Participant
June 15, 2022

i forgot to mention that Rosetta/Emulation mode is listed as ON

Participating Frequently
March 31, 2022

Same experience here. Whe ACR module used under non M1 Bridge, masking does not work.

Rikk Flohr_Photography
Community Manager
February 7, 2022

Adding Ian's bug number - setting status. 

Rikk Flohr: Adobe Photography Org
Ian Lyons
Community Expert
Community Expert
February 5, 2022

I just checked your DNG image and can confirm that the issue you see is the same as I reported previously.

 

 

Ian Lyons
Community Expert
Community Expert
February 5, 2022

I reported a 'Subject' mask bug elsewhere for LrC, LrD and ACR when using Rosetta emulation mode.  If you're using Camera Raw via Adobe Bridge, then it's running in emulation mode since Bridge is still not yet M1 native. The workaround until  the Bridge team get their 'backsides' into gear is to use ACR from within Photoshop. 

TheDigitalDog
Inspiring
February 5, 2022

Interesting, so when Bridge hosts ACR, unlike say Photoshop, that affects M1 native.

 

This would be a great test; compare ACR hosted by Bridge and ACR hosted by Photoshop and upload a DNG from both using the same raw. If ACR hosted by Photoshop works, it also explains why Lightroom Classic works properly.

Author “Color Management for Photographers" & "Photoshop CC Color Management/pluralsight"
Ian Lyons
Community Expert
Community Expert
February 5, 2022

Been there, done it, got the proverbial T-shirt. Basically, if using Rosetta emulation mode it doesn't make any difference as to whether it's Photoshop/Bridge hosted ACR, LrC or LrD, the 'Subject' mask is garbage.

TheDigitalDog
Inspiring
February 4, 2022

There are no settings for “accuracy” and it's odd LR is fine, not the same. This is an M1?

Perhaps it's a GPU issue and you can play around with setting it in preferences; worth a try.

If you could export a DNG with a mask in both products and upload via something like Dropbox, we could examine both masks from each product. That be useful.

 

Author “Color Management for Photographers" & "Photoshop CC Color Management/pluralsight"
Wian0D45Author
Participant
February 5, 2022

Yes, it is an M1 Macbook Pro. I checked the GPU settings and is is already set to support at full acceleration.

I'll upload a .DNG file with examples of the different masks to Dropbox link: https://www.dropbox.com/s/bp7yvv1bo4afv4i/ACR%20select%20subject.DNG?dl=0. Just note that the current mask I get from Lr is the same as the mask I got on my Intel Mac in ACR. I clearly marked the masks to indicate where they come from.

I have also re-installed the latest 14.1 version of ACR, but that didnt make a difference

 

I would really appreciate some help as I have tons of editing to do.

TheDigitalDog
Inspiring
February 5, 2022

Got the DNG with the four masks and yes, there is a huge difference and this is very odd.

On my Intel Mac, I made a mask (Select Subject) and got what visually appears identical to the mask you got on your intel so that's consistant. Why the M1 isn't doing the same is odd and someone on the team needs to look into this.

On the M1, is there any difference if you disable GPU in preferences or alter the settings there?

What if you clean (Purge) the Cache in the same preferences?

Author “Color Management for Photographers" & "Photoshop CC Color Management/pluralsight"
Dani Gascón
Participating Frequently
January 22, 2022

Hi,

 

I have got Macbook Pro M1 Pro (Silicon) with Lightroom Classic 11.1 and the mask subject tool doesn't work properly. It doesn't select the subject anytime. It selects much more abstract shapes. 

 

Anyone knows why I can't get good masks with Mask Subject? Could you help me?

 

I tried reinstall, reboot previously. It's like it can't select the subject never, even with simple backgrounds and chroma key. I attach examples with original images and subject mask selected:

 

Anyone knows why I can't get good masks with Mask Subject? Could you help me?

Thanks a lot for everyone

Ian Lyons
Community Expert
Community Expert
January 22, 2022

I downloaded one of your images and imported it into LrC 11.1 on MacBook Pro M1 Pro and don't experience the issue you describe/demonstrate. I've attached 3 versions of the mask for yoru first image as an example.

 

 

 

Dani Gascón
Participating Frequently
January 22, 2022

Oh that's the mask I expected!

And I can see we have the same Macbook and version.  I'm really really confused about it, because I didn't setup any strange adjust. I only click on the Subject Mask and that's what it mask. I attach a video below.

 

Thanks for the response Ian