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pinkypunk35
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Is Fuji X-Trans support being worked on?I appreciate that the support is better now than it was, but the reality is that Lightroom is still a long way behind other RAW developers, all of which are less well funded and with smaller teams working on the software.Lightroom has been the leader in RAW processing an image cataloging as far back as I can recall; but with the Fuji X-Trans files many people I know are leaving Adobe Lightroom for one of the many other developers, all of which are producing far better results than Adobe Lightroom.Ones I have personally tested are as follows: Iridient DeveloperPhoto NinjaLightZoneCapture OneApertureSilkyPixRaw TherapeeIridient is very good, and this is a piece of software made by a single man.My question is, if he can get it right, why can't Adobe? They have been leaders in innovation for many years but it seems in some areas now they are falling behind - I have never seen so many people leave a major developer for smaller independent ones, but to Fuji users (both enthusiasts and professionals) it's a pretty simple decision when you compare results.So all I'd like to know is if my patience sticking with Lightroom is justified, and whether a solution is being worked on - or will always be worked on. Or is it a case that the users wanting such a change are not enough to support such work.

    Correct answer CMass
    Hi Everyone,

    We are happy to announce the release of Lightroom Classic CC 8.2. With this release, we’ve introduced a new feature called Enhanced Details.

    Photographers using cameras featuring X-Trans sensors should see an improved rendering of their Fuji raw files.

    To learn more about how this new feature works check out the blog post:  https://theblog.adobe.com/enhance-details/

    Cheers,
    Carissa

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    john beardsworth
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    john beardsworthCommunity Expert
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    June 25, 2017
    Well, Mark, it's a priority for anyone who seriously uses a program if it can't import the files, and it was one of a series of gaps in C1's claims of XTrans support which were fixed in 10.1 and yet marketed as "Improved X-Trans Processing". C1 has finally taken a step forward again, as Adobe did before, but the point is these things go in turns.

    I am very surprised that I haven't yet arrived at Detail panel settings that can be be my  starting point for all  XT2 images. I always feel I can match whatever comes out of XTransformer or C1, if I put anything through them, but I do seem to have to review each set of pictures more carefully in LR than seems reasonable, tweaking the Detail panel settings dependent on content. One thing I do avoid is the Pete Bridgwood recipe which you  may have encountered - I have no view about whether his Detail +100 worked with earlier cameras, but I don't think it's relevant with the newer 24mp. I'd also question whether people review the final print.
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    Mike Katz
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    June 25, 2017
    LOL. The image quality issue with Xtrans was acknowledged as an issue a long time ago, and someone is complaining that Capture One took a year? This thread is three years old!!!

    I'm cancelling too, for the exact image quality reasons mentioned above. Love Capture One and I've been with Lightroom from the beginning.

    Adobe is the largest, wealthiest, and highest earning RAW software company by far, and they haven't done anything for three years?? There are so many new start-up companies that outperform Lightroom with Xtrans files, it's just downright embarrassing at this stage, not to mention disrespectful to Fuji shooters. It's unfortunately time to say goodbye, at least until they fix this mess.
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    FeedbackCommunityMember
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    June 25, 2017
    That's true, but reading compressed RAWs isn't a priority for me personally anyway.

    Don't misunderstand me, I'm a Lightroom user since Version 2 and I'm very happy with the overall product. But when testing C1 10.1 I discovered that I can get much better image quality (esp. fine green details) out of it compared to Lightroom.
    If I use Iridient Transformer and import the resulting DNG into Lightroom it seems I get better detail then using the RAF file directly.
    And in my opinion  Adobe is a little bit slow in improving their X-Trans demosaicing to a level that C1 or Iridient is delivering.

    Or maybe I'm doing something completely wrong:

    LR Version (Sharpening Amount 30, Radius 0,8):
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/yia3zqkcdju28f9/lr.jpg?dl=0

    C1 Version:
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/voe5f53xpadqtvm/c1.jpg?dl=0

    RAF File:
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/7yd6ud67zocwuro/20170420_London_XT2_0010.RAF?dl=0

    Maybe you can check yourself with my RAF file if you've some time, because I would be more then happy to continue using LR/PS as my main image management and editing solution.


    /Mark.
    john beardsworth
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    john beardsworthCommunity Expert
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    June 25, 2017
    Yes, which is why I said "until recently", Mark. Was that a month ago, or two? 6-8 months behind LR for the XT2 compressed files, and almost a year behind LR for the XPro2's.
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    FeedbackCommunityMember
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    June 25, 2017
    John: Capture One reads Fuji compressed RAWs since 10.1
    john beardsworth
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    john beardsworthCommunity Expert
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    June 25, 2017
    You should withdraw your "dishonest" statement, not least because it undermines whatever credibility the rest of your post may have.

    After cancelling a subscription, your catalogue does continue to work but you can't go into Develop or Map or use Mobile. The 7 day limit (IIRC I can't be bothered checking for you) applies to getting access to anything you have on Mobile that hasn't yet synced down into your catalogue.

    These things go in turns, and C1 itself stood still for over a year. Did you ever try importing compressed XPro2 or XT2 raw files into C1 until recently?
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    3dit0r1
    Known Participant
    June 25, 2017
    I was approaching the end of my subscription year for LR and tried C1 again before renewing. The C1 subscription is a little more expensive but boy have they improved it in just a year since I last tried it! And not just for Fuji files, everything is improved it seems. If you dial NR right down (off) there is just no smearing or plastic effect like on LR RAF, which is a huge difference. The colour is significantly better with much less work. I could go on, but the point is in that year, C1 has developed into a tool I don't mind paying more for. In that same year LR has... well, it's basically stood still. Apart from getting increasingly buggy and unreliable. And they still haven't got basic exposure correct when using Auto ISO on a Fuji X-Pro 2. It's a joke. Bottom line, I cancelled my subscription and moved to C1. If Adobe ever take LR, and Fuji, seriously again, I'll consider coming back. Oh, and by the way, the Adobe promise that if you cancel your subscription your catalog will still work (just develop will be disabled) is a lie. It simply gives you a 7-day trial. I hate dishonest companies. That alone is reason for me to jump ship.
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    FeedbackCommunityMember
    Inspiring
    June 25, 2017
    I'm also very disappointed with the rendering of RAFD files in Lightroom (esp. green foilage). 
    If you use Iridient Transformer and process the resulting DNG in Lightroom the difference is day and night. 
    Also the latest release of Capture One (10.1) is nearly as good as Iridient. So this shows us the the problem is solvable...

    I'm really pissed of by Adobes silence and poor performance on this problem and the slowness of Lightroom in general. Looks to me that Lightroom Desktop isn't a strategic product for them anymore...
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    Anonymous
    April 20, 2017


    Unbelievable that Adobe is still not able to process or convert RAF Files properly. When will the X Trans Sensor finally be supported properly? I Can't use Lightroom anymore because of wormy artifacts/ noise being created when the image gets loaded. How is this even possible!?
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    acharnas
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    March 23, 2017


    Very unhappy with the Fuji X-E2 raw processing. White balance is very bad, and changing it is on a hair trigger between too blue and too yellow. I made a custom profile with colorchecker and everything gets way too magenta. Unusable. JPEGS out of the camera are much, much better.
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