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evikne71
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November 10, 2018
Question

Pale black and white photos from VSCO

  • November 10, 2018
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Some black and white photos developed with VSCO presets look very different when viewed in a LR web gallery and in LR mobile (the correct profile show up in editing mode, but it doesn't look correct). They are very pale, and something is clearly wrong. All color photos look as they should.

The photos are developed in LR Classic, and they also look correct in LR CC when synced there.

Anyone who knows what could be wrong?

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evikne71
evikne71Author
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December 21, 2018

I think I have found the cause of the problem, and a workaround.

The problem is the smart previews generated in LR Classic. Photos with VSCO profiles tend to get an error (pale or oversaturated) when converted to smart previews and synced to the cloud.

The solution is to force these previews to update/regenerate. I just make a small change to a photo in LR CC, and then the smart preview updates all over in the cloud, and in all web galleries. And it looks correct. I must of course have the VSCO profiles installed also in LR CC.

To do this a little more effectively with many photos, I collect all the affected photos in a synced gallery in LR Classic. I then open LR CC and go to this collection. Here select one photo, open the Edit panel, and find an edit setting that is similar on all photos. In my case I uncheck the "Remove Chromatic Aberration" checkbox (this is usually always checked on all photos). I copy this setting, go to Grid view and paste it to all the other photos. The blue status symbol beside each thumbnail starts to rotate. All previews are now regenerated and synced.

I thought that when all previews were updated, I could re-check the checkboxes and let them sync again. But it seems like LR CC remembers the last edits and put back the old previews, instead of making new once again. So this is unfortunately not possible. But if you don't want to "distroy" any edits from LR Classic, a solution is to remove these checkboxes in LR Classic first, and when they have synced, you put them back in LR CC.

And keep in mind that if you later make any change on a photo in LR Classic, the error comes back in the synced photo, and you must repeat the process in LR CC.

This workaround works for me, but of course this issue isn't fully solved until LR Classic can make the smart previews correct in the first place.

evikne71
evikne71Author
Known Participant
December 4, 2018

Now I have also experienced profile errors with color images. A photo with a Kodak Gold 200 profile appeared very oversaturated on a web page. Probably there are many more, but less evident errors, that I haven't discovered yet.

This is very frustrating, because my shared web pages have become useless. In some cases I have been forced to make alternative copies of the affected images without the VSCO profiles.

Please fix this issue, so we can use our VSCO profiles on the web!

TheDigitalDog
Inspiring
December 4, 2018

ernstv21515445  wrote

Now I have also experienced profile errors with color images. A photo with a Kodak Gold 200 profile appeared very oversaturated on a web page.

Is the browser color managed? IF so, it should match what you see in the Develop module.

Author “Color Management for Photographers" & "Photoshop CC Color Management/pluralsight"
evikne71
evikne71Author
Known Participant
December 4, 2018

Yes, I use Safari, on a calibrated screen. And, as I have mentioned already, if I export the images from LR to my desktop, and then upload them to my web gallery, they appear correctly. The problem only occurs with synced images (sourced from Adobe Cloud).

I made a Portfolio web page now to demonstrate the difference between the synced photos and manually uploaded photos. It is exactly the same photos, only the way they are uploaded is different:

VSCO Profile Errors

Sean Molin
Participating Frequently
November 16, 2018

YES! We have the exact same problem and have since Day 1 years ago with Lightroom Mobile Sync. The craziest thing is that we only ever use these exact two B&W presets, so we just assumed it was a B&W issue.

Once we were able to load the presets in to LR CC to get them on mobile devices it half-way works now, but you have to zoom into 1:1 to see the true contrast curve... and it totally doesn't work at all for shared gallery links.

Has anyone figured out a solution to this?

TheDigitalDog
Inspiring
November 10, 2018

There is an issue with Web Gallery previews. The previews are not correct. Always inspect color and tone in Develop. If you upload the images, they should preview correctly in a color managed browser and match what you see in Develop if you soft proof to sRGB. Just ignore the wrong previews in Web. Not all web browsers are color managed and that too could be an issue. Color managed browsers will match Develop.

Author “Color Management for Photographers" & "Photoshop CC Color Management/pluralsight"
evikne71
evikne71Author
Known Participant
November 11, 2018

It could not be the web browser. I use more than 30 different VSCO profiles, and I have only discovered two of them which display incorrectly in the web gallerys and in LR CC Mobile (Fuji Neopan 1600 and Kodak Tri-X 400). And these can also look correctly in the web gallery, if I go detour and export the images to my desktop and upload to Adobe Web, and then drag them into a web gallery. The error only occurs if the images are automatically synced.