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November 12, 2024
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People view & Metadata

  • November 12, 2024
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Where in metadata (which tag) can I find the people names added in Lightroom Classic People View?

 

I'm starting to think that I have spend huge amount of time of putting in these names for these athletes and it seems that they are not implemented in any reusable way in the metadata so that I could now batch edit the metadata to fit certain requirements (that want me to put the name in specific place in the caption).

 

Instead of putting these names in [PersonShown] tag which would be intuitive and reusable, they just go inside [Keywords] where I can not find or use the names in metadata batch editors.

I also noticed that in the initial catalog these keywords (names) still have People-attribute but after adding them to my archive catalog, this information seems to be gone as well.

 

Please tell me I'm wrong and there is a way to find these names in specific unique metadata tag.

 

I'm in Win11 with LrC 13.5.1 with Sony arw and export them to jpeg with 'All metadata' but it seems all is not all at all.

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johnrellis
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November 12, 2024

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As Rikk explained, you can filter the Keyword List for all keywords with the Person attribute. 

 

When you export a photo from LR with metadata, the Person attribute isn't preserved (there's no industry standard for preserving keyword attributes).  

 

"in the initial catalog these keywords (names) still have People-attribute but after adding them to my archive catalog, this information seems to be gone as well."

 

How are you moving the photos to the archive catalog?  If you do Export with the option Include: All Metadata (being sure to uncheck Remove Person Info), and then import into the archive catalog, the face rectangles, assigned face names,  and the person keywords (with the Person attribute) will all be preserved.

 

You can also use File > Export As Catalog and File > Import From Another Catalog, which preserves all the photo-specific metadata (and more, including stacks and collections).

 

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One method for making person keywords easier to work with is to create a top-level keyword People and then tell LR to put all newly created person keywords (i.e. by People view) underneath People by right-clicking it and doing Put New Person Keywords Inside This Keyword:

 

When you export a photo with the Metadata option Write Keywords As Lightroom Hierarchy, the hierarchical keywords will be preserved in the field XMP:HierarchicalSubject.  While not an industry standard, some other non-Adobe apps know how to interpret that field.

 

"batch edit the metadata to fit certain requirements (that want me to put the name in specific place in the caption)."

 

You could use the Write Data Field plugin of the Bag-O-Goodies plugin to copy person keywords into the captions of a batch of photos. It has lots of options for customizing exactly how that copying is done.

 

"a way to find these names in specific unique metadata tag."

 

The face rectangles and the assigned names are stored in the XMP:RegionInfo structure in the XMP metadata. You can extract it using the free, authoritative Exiftool utility (which has a steep learning curve). XMP:RegionInfo is defined by the Metadata Working Group standard, developed by Adobe, Canon, Microsoft, Nokia (!), and Sony. Unfortunately, LR is the only app I know of that implements the standard and still exists.

 

"Instead of putting these names in [PersonShown] tag which would be intuitive and reusable"

 

Ideally, the face names would go both into Keywords and IPTC Person Shown In Image. I think more apps understand how to manipulate keywords than the IPTC "Extension" fields. In my workflow, I have some apps and popular web services that ignore IPTC Person Shown In Image.

vilkoskiAuthor
Participant
November 13, 2024

Thanks, Rikk & John.

 

The situation is as I suspected and you confirm.

So, basically, Person-attribute of the [Keywords]-tag exists only in the original catalog which makes it unusable option for me since most of the original catalogs are long gone.

That means that jpeg files have the names only among the [Keywords]-tag so it would be impossible to script around it.

So, the only option for my archive would be to use the [RegionInfo] of the xmp-files to edit the captions to match the need. So exiftool might have features to pull this off, but it would be a major project anyway.

Have to think about it and also reconsider my current metadata workflow overall.

 

100% agree that Lightroom should save this to both [Keywords] and [PersonShown].

 

Rikk Flohr_Photography
Community Manager
November 12, 2024

Although not specifically what you are asking, does it help you to identify them if you set your Keyword List (Click on the small down arrow next to the magnifying glass) to People? 

Rikk Flohr: Adobe Photography Org