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Alienduck
Inspiring
October 21, 2024
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Photos duplicated after 14.0.1 update

  • October 21, 2024
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I just opened Library after updating to 14.0.1 and images appear as duplicates 1of2 and 2of2. The "2" is the "developed" (virtual) image. When I choose "show image in finder" both images link to the same original. 

 

Why has this happened? 

How do I fix it? 

Going throught thousands of images and deleting the virtual copies and re-doing the deveop settings is simply not going to happen. 

 

System: 2021 Macbook Pro, OS 14.5

 

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Correct answer Alienduck

All four of those copy's in that screenshot are virtual, notice the bottom right corner of the thumbnail.

So, you do not remember making those virtual copy's? A difference between LrC creating an outright copy and creating or the user creating a virtual copy.

 

One suspicion, an accidental batch creation of virtual copy's.

 

Now, I am not at a computer to test, but to work thru what victuals are unwanted, perhaps filter on virtual, label those, then filter thru the labeled for no edits.

 

 


I found the issue, and it was likely user error, though for the life of me I cannot figure out when/how. I found a collection if nearly every photo in the library. However, in only contained the vitural copies. I deleted a couple to see if I'd lose my develop settings, and all was good. I've deleted the copies and the collection. -- All seems good. Just goes to show that even years into using sofware, unusual mistakes can still be made. 

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JohanElzenga
Community Expert
Community Expert
October 30, 2024

The only way I could explain this is if you created a new catalog, imported all the images, and then used 'Import from Another Catalog' and imported your existing catalog into this new catalog. Sometimes people use this trick to solve catalog corruption problems, but then you should not import the images, but only the existing catalog. If that is indeed what you did, then simply going back to your original catalog will solve this. Repeating the procedure, but now doing it correctly, will also fix it.

 

-- Johan W. Elzenga
Community Expert
October 31, 2024

just for completeness: another way that virtual copies may get created is when Softproofing is active, and then images are adjusted in any way. An image thumbnail that is itself not already a proofing copy, will in that case spin off as a brand new, separately editable  (virtual) proofing copy - referring back to the same shared source file. There's a notification pop-up for this, but that notification may have been suppressed in which case this virtual copying happens silently.  

JohanElzenga
Community Expert
Community Expert
October 31, 2024

True, but I doubt that could be the case here. The OP says that all of a sudden the virtual copies are there, and that they contain the edits and the originals have no edits. If soft proofing was enabled at some point and then an extra edit was made which created the soft proof virtual copies, then the originals would still contain all the edits, and the virtual copies would contain the same edits plus that one extra edit. In that case simply deleting all the virtual copies would solve it, but the OP already said that this is no option because he would lose all the edits if he did that. 

 

-- Johan W. Elzenga
GoldingD
Legend
October 30, 2024

So, you never created the virtual copy's? Correct?

Alienduck
AlienduckAuthor
Inspiring
October 31, 2024

Mostly correct. There are some virtual copies that I made in months/years past (cropped differently etc.). Those I'd like to keep. However, now every photo has a "copy-1" next to it. In the attached you can see the first image is one that was intended. The others are not. All in stacks. Some images have developed differences, some have no changes at all, but a copy "appeared" nonetheless. -- This is most unusual, and I was hoping for a solution, before resulting to a backup, which seem inevitable. 

GoldingD
Legend
October 31, 2024

All four of those copy's in that screenshot are virtual, notice the bottom right corner of the thumbnail.

So, you do not remember making those virtual copy's? A difference between LrC creating an outright copy and creating or the user creating a virtual copy.

 

One suspicion, an accidental batch creation of virtual copy's.

 

Now, I am not at a computer to test, but to work thru what victuals are unwanted, perhaps filter on virtual, label those, then filter thru the labeled for no edits.

 

 

KR Seals
Community Expert
Community Expert
October 30, 2024

This is the first time I've heard of this and have never seen it myself. It won't hurt to try resetting the LrC preferences. 

 

Ken Seals - Nikon Z 9, Z 8, 14mm-800mm. Computer Win 11 Pro, I7-14700K, 64GB, RTX3070TI. Travel machine: 2021 MacBook Pro M1 MAX 64GB. All Adobe apps.
Legend
October 22, 2024

Try: search for files marked Copy:

Click on Pictures in the Folders section of the left pane

in the grid, select All

in Library>Enable Filters

click on Text

in the search box, enter Copy.

Right-click. in the dialog that follows, scroll to the bottom.

Select "Remove Photos..."

"Remove xx photos from Lightroom catalog" appears.

 

Your choices are

* Remove from Lightroom (safe; requires re-import if you change your mind)

* Delete from disk (danger will robinson)

Larry
Alienduck
AlienduckAuthor
Inspiring
October 29, 2024

Thank you for the reply, but this does not remedy the issue. The problem is that my develped settings would be lost. Months of labor, if not more, would be lost. -- And still begs the question, why did this happen to begin with?

Legend
October 31, 2024

AD, I'm confused so I went back to your original post.
" images appear as duplicates 1of2 and 2of2."

 

The "2" is the "developed" (virtual) image." <-- Original (Master) and virtual copies can be developed. Developed and Virtual are not synonyms.

Prior to using Photo>Create Virtual Copy, Copy 1 and Copy 2 do not exist. Creating a virtual copy creates a new catalog entry but does not create a new file.

The original file and the virtual copy share the exact same name; same extension.

In Loupe view, the original file displays as filename.ext and the virtual copy as filename.ext • Copy 1.

The original file will never appear in the Loupe view as filename.ext • Copy anything.

In Grid view, the upper-left corner displays the number of catalog entries (original and duplicates).

In Grid view, hovering the cursor over the original changes the number of catalog entries to display the total number of copies, i.e., "1 of 2" and the filename.ext.

The virtual copy will display "2 of 2" and filename.ext • Copy 1

 

Of course all virtual copies point to the original file in the folder.As MacLeod said, There Can Be Only One.

Deleting copies retains the original file but yes, their copy edits are lost.

 

As far as deleting entries, deleting a copy will get a warning from LrC:

Remove the selected copy? with the choices, Remove from Lightroom and Cancel

Deleting the original will get this warning:

Remove Photo from Lightroom Catalog
This photo will be removed from your Lightroom Catalog and any synced Lightroom Clients. Select "Delete from Disk" to also move the selected photos on your computer to the Finder's trash.
One virtual copy will also be removed.

with the choices, Remove from Lightroom, Delete from Disk and Cancel.

The copies take up next-to-nothing storage space, only increase the catalog size negligibly.

Create virtual copies

https://helpx.adobe.com/lightroom-classic/help/photos.html?x-product=Helpx%2F1.0.0&x-product-location=Search%3AForums%3Alink%2F3.5.6 

"...You can even make one of the virtual copies a master, making the previous master a virtual copy.
Virtual copies become actual photos when they are exported as a copy of the master photo or edited as a copy in an external editor.

In the Library module, select a virtual copy of a photo in the Grid view or the Filmstrip and choose Photo > Set Copy As Master."

Larry