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Presets a total mess in Lightroom 7.3

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April 4, 2018
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Adobe work with us here. You just pushed an update that makes a total mess of everyone presets, even though you were notified of problems during the beta. We all like new features but come on. Is this programming school?

First, presets are changed to XML without asking. Ok, I see where they're going with the more compatible format and it has potential. But it's like Adobe did not even bother to see if it worked. Sure favorites are cool, but along with them, we are stuck with even more clutter of default preset folders and no way to remove them even though your customers have been asking for years.

Worse, Presets are randomly out of order inside their folders. It does not even make sense the random they are arranged. It's chaos for the LR organization many of us have developed over the years.

Next, the "Show Lightroom Presets" button in preferences still goes to the old presets folder and the original presets are there but no longer show up in because Lightroom is looking for the converted XML presets that are now in the Camera Raw folder. You didn't even bother to update the button? From what I can tell new presets installed in that official location will not only not show up, there is no way to convert them after the initial update.

I have thousands of photographers using preset packs I design. At this time I'm going to downgrade my working projects and recommend that people do not update until we have a solution for these blatant issues. I'll start tinkering for a temporary solution and everyone, please share if you have any until Adobe fixes this. Thanks.

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Correct answer DSeim

Everyone I've summerized the solutions we have found in a video and links to the file tools people have made that workaround the sorting bug (as well as how to downgrade) on my blog if anyone needs help with this... http://seimeffects.com/2018/04/06/lightroom-7-preset-order/

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gifted_Wizard0D44

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Hi, have the same problems with my presets...

when I rename a preset, the preset is then at the end of the list (user preset) - could it be that the sort order is not the names of the preset rather the update date?

crazy...

ondrejb47127146

Inspiring

Renaming worked in my LR. Rename all of your presets and it will be ok.

I have changed it from 1, 2, 3,... to 1a, 1b, 1c, 2a, 2b...

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danielp83378976

Participant

Same here...plugins scrambled and I can't simply work with the files and folders to change it.

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matthew saville

Participating Frequently

For some reason, if I click "go to presets folder" in LR's preferences panel, it still takes me to the old Lightroom folder with all the .lrtemplate files, not the new CameraRaw folder. Only if I right-click an actual preset does it show the new .XMP file in the CameraRaw folder.

Also, my presets are out of order as well. Clearly, everybody who has ever made more than a handful of preset was using numbers to organize those presets, so I don't know how Adobe could have overlooked this numerical order bug.

The only thing I can think of is, these new .XMP files are getting sorted by DATE CREATED within Lightroom, for some reason? I had a similar problem when creating presets for Adobe Bridge, and then trying to use Finder / Explorer to rename those presets- ACR didn't recognize the new names.

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fedechieli

Participant

Same here and if I save a new preset it does not show up in my list, I can see it in the Mac finder , in the Camera Raw/Settings folder, but Lightroom won't show it...

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joep29518405

Participating Frequently

I'm having the same issue. My presets are hideously out of order now. This seems such a basic thing to have worked to avoid. It's also crashed twice since I installed it a half hour or so ago. Doesn't look ready for prime time to me.

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Michael.P.Meyer

Participating Frequently

Given the info here: Lightroom Classic: Develop Presets did not all convert to new format in 7.3 | Photoshop Family Customer Community

I edited my xmp files that were out of order, and they did have a different value in crs:Name and crs:SortName.

I fixed the crs:SortName to match the Name (filename also) and now they are ordered correctly.

DSeimAuthor

Inspiring

Good link Michael. Here's a comment on that thread that goes into good detail on what's happening. It's more detailed than the official response.. Lightroom Classic: Develop Presets Not Sorting Correctly (macOS - High Sierra) | Photoshop Family Customer Community

I'm still blown away that Adobe would shipp this the update, ruining the experiance for so many without fixing the problem first. But untill they do it seems that this is what's happneing and we can fix it thru tedious renaming.

Ron Ludekens

Participant

I am frustrated with the same problem.

ondrejb47127146

Inspiring

I have the same problem - presets are after install LR 7.3 mixed and not alphabetical ordered like before. This is a huge problem, its possible to bring it back to normal alphabetical ordering?

Edit: renaming of all presets in new LR works... good luck to photographers with more presets :/

(renaming in Windows not)

DSeimAuthor

Inspiring

Yea the rename does seem to help but not sure if it sticks. I'm going to have to start renaming our packs I guess. Rename and then rename the same name and it sorts properly. What kind of programming style is this?

Regarding legacy presets. It looks like on conversion 7.3 adds a tilde ~ to the old presets and leave them in the original folder. If you add presets to the original presets folder without the tilde it does appear to update those new presets when Lightroom is restarted, which is a good thing for legacy presets. They will still be out of order of course.

7.3 is really still in beta and they are using us as a test I guess. I downgraded back to 7.2 for primary work, renamed it and installed 7.3 again for testing. You can do it from the CC window and the presets all went back to normal since 7.2 uses the original presets folder (and seems to ignore the tilde that 7.3 added). Backing up presets first could not hurt though.

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Michael.P.Meyer

Participating Frequently

I was able to find the XMP converted presets from the preset panel, by Right Click, Show in Finder/Explorer, they are in a new location:

C:\Users\XXXX\AppData\Roaming\Adobe\CameraRaw\Settings

/Users/XXXX/Library/Application\ Support/Adobe/CameraRaw/Settings

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amandar36615301

Participant

So glad you pointed out where the presets are now stored (C:\Users\XXXX\AppData\Roaming\Adobe\CameraRaw\Settings)! I had to reinstall lightroom and couldnt work out why my presets werent loading in. Once I copied my backup of the the CameraRaw Settings data they loaded in. Thank you!

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Anonymous

with me they are not stored in Camera raw

I activated the option to store everything with the catalog and so they are here:

old: (catalogfolder)/Lightroom-Einstellungen/Develop Preset

new: (catalogfolder)/Lightroom-Einstellungen/Settings (here are the new xml.files)

BUT New presets are NOT shown in Develp Module ONLY in Library Module.

In Camera Raw / Settings there is an index_(div. numbers).dat file but this is from last Update in June. And there ist a very old file index.dat from 2012. There is nothing more in the folder under camera raw.

So my conclusion: Develop and Library Module use different folders.

What a Mess!

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