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December 23, 2019
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Save all LR photos w/ edits and folder structure to external drive

  • December 23, 2019
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I'm using LR Classic 9.1 and Catalina 10.15.

 

For a long time, have imported images to an external drive (Drive 1), but have backed up LR catalog to my laptop hard drive.  Occasionally I will copy the LR backup and Drive 1 images to a second backup drive (Drive 2).  

 

My catalog covers about 30,000 images at the moment, most of them family photos.  This system works fine for me, but someday I'll be gone, and when that happens, I want to be sure that other family members  (who may not have LR or an interest in getting and learning it) to be able to access the edited photos conveniently.

 

Is there a way to periodically export ALL my LR photos (including edits) to an external drive AND preserve the folder organization, so that that others can have a reasonable chance to find and access the edited photos they may be looking for?  

 

IBasically, I'm looking to periodically backup or copy all my edited JPEGs in an organized fashion so that others can access them even if they don't have LR.

 

Perhaps Export as a Catalog will do this, but I'm not sure.  Everything I've ready about that function seems to describe exporting a few selected images as a catalog.  And I haven't seen anything about preserving folder organization if you're exporting images from different folders.

 

Any advice is appreciated.

 

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Rob_Cullen
Community Expert
Community Expert
December 25, 2019

First, let me say that Jeffrey Friedl's Publisher Plugin is the ideal answer for what you need!

 

But then to adderss your reply to my suggestion-

 

"So on the arhival drive, I would have all my original LR folders (containing unedited images), each of which will have subfolder with the edited JPEG images, right?"

Yes! But! The exported JPGs are within the Folder structure that Lr-Classic is referencing (not an "archival"? drive). You would still need your backup procedures to backup the entire referenced folder structure to a Backup disk location to include the 'Edited JPGs'.

 

"Could I later reorganize the folders on the archival drive so that I just keep (or separate) the folders with the edited JPEGs, so it's obvious to a future user that's where to look for the edited images?"

Do NOT re-organize. "Separate" only with much work (as stated by others). I presumed that looking in the sub-folders named "Edited" might be the "future user" method.

 

So big disadvantages with my suggestion. 😞

 

Regards. My System: Windows-11, Lightroom-Classic 15.1.1, Photoshop 27.3.1, ACR 18.1.1, Lightroom 9.0, Lr-iOS 10.4.0, Bridge 16.0.2 .
Participating Frequently
December 25, 2019

Thanks to all.  It sounds like Publish is the way to go. Will give it a try.

Participant
January 1, 2020

Kerry, I'm so glad you asked this question. Your question (and reason) was exactly what I was doing a search for. This thread has been very helpful to me as well. Thank you everyone who contributed to this discussion. 

dj_paige
Legend
December 24, 2019

"Could I later reorganize the dolers on the arhival drive so that I just keep (or separate) the folders with the edite JPEGs, so it's obvious to a future user that's where to look for the edited images?"

 

Yes you could, it would be manual and slow and tedious and you'd have to re-organize the folders one by one (and don't make a mistake and skip a folder or put it in the wrong place...). And if you took more photos and wanted to include them in this manually modified folder structure, its more slow tedious work (and don't make a mistake).

 

I guess I don't understand your reluctance to use a Publish service here, it seems to do exactly what you want with no drawbacks that I can see. It's all automated, no manual or tedious or mistake-prone work for you to do, easily updated via the plug-in, you click the mouse on Publish and then you can walk away and let the computer do the work.

Participating Frequently
December 24, 2019

That seems like a great alternative!

So on the arhival drive, I would have all my original LR folders (containing unedited images), each of which will have aubfolder with the edited JPEG images, right?

Could I later reorganize the dolers on the arhival drive so that I just keep (or separate) the folders with the edite JPEGs, so it's obvious to a future user that's where to look for the edited images?

Thanks so much!

 

Rob_Cullen
Community Expert
Community Expert
December 24, 2019

Here is another idea-

Requires disk space with the original files!

1. Select photos-  (could be ALL Photographs)

2. Export as JPG to sub-Folders of the Originals.  (Thus exported JPGs with edits applied remain in the same folder structure)

 

Export to: 'Same folder as original photo'

Put in Sub-Folder -named as required.

Rename, or not,

You could Resize, (to limit pixel dimensions) or not!

Folder structure is unchanged with originals and edited JPGs in sub-folders of their originals.

Regards. My System: Windows-11, Lightroom-Classic 15.1.1, Photoshop 27.3.1, ACR 18.1.1, Lightroom 9.0, Lr-iOS 10.4.0, Bridge 16.0.2 .
Just Shoot Me
Legend
December 23, 2019

I have to partially disagree with both of the other replies.

If you want your Edited in LR images to be available to others in the future then IMHO you have only one option and that option includes using one of 2 file formats, JPG or TIF.

 

You Export your edited images to either format and store them on one of your external drives and then copy them to the other and even a third external drive.

 

If you want them to have access to ALL of your images then the ones you haven't bothered to edit export them as JPGs (that is if they aren't JPGs already)

 

The 2 other options listed above is based on someone in your family (Friends) having LR Classic to View either your published copies or the Exported catalog.

 

Your original images, whether they are JPG or RAW files contain No edits. All the edits you have done are stored in the LR catalog file. Only at the time of Export, as either a JPG or TIF files, are the edits burnt into, included in, that exported image file.

 

Even if you have the option check to "Auto Write Changes to XMP" the only programs that can read those edits, from the Sidecar XMP file, is one of the Adobe RAW file editors.

 

I am in the proccess of doing basically the same thing as I don't think in the near future I will have access to LR Classic, PS and Adobe Camera RAW anymore.

 

Participating Frequently
December 23, 2019

Thanks.  

 

A couple of clarifications:  1.  All my images are JPEGs.  2.  All my images are ediated. (I delete unedited images.)

 

I understand that when you Export and image it saves the edits with the image somehow.  I suppose Publish essentially does the same thing.

 

I'm just trying to figure out the best way to create a complete and organized copy of all my LR edited images that my family can readily access and search (with or without LR) if I'm not around to do it for them.

 

Thanks!

dj_paige
Legend
December 23, 2019

"A couple of clarifications:  1.  All my images are JPEGs.  2.  All my images are ediated. (I delete unedited images.)

 

"I understand that when you Export and image it saves the edits with the image somehow.  I suppose Publish essentially does the same thing.

 

"I'm just trying to figure out the best way to create a complete and organized copy of all my LR edited images that my family can readily access and search (with or without LR) if I'm not around to do it for them."

 

It's hard to read this and come to a conclusion that either you have received the information you need, or that you still need more information. Do you still need more information?

Participating Frequently
December 23, 2019

Thank you for the helpful reply.

 

I ran across the publish option (and the related plug-ins) earlier and briefly looked again at it now.  Perhaps that will work, but I'm not sure.

 

The goal is to have an organized permanent archive of all my edited LR photos on a spearate drive that my wife or kids can access later with whatever program (Phjotos, etc.) they have handy.  If I publish my LR photos/folders to a separate drive, will they be able to access/download/copy when they plug the drive into a different computer?  Are the images/folders permanently published and accessible there?  (Something about "publish' sounds a bit temporary and possibly restricted to me, but I don't really know.)

 

The Export as Catalog approach sounded like a a more customary way of "saving" images permanently, but as I said, it seemed that mnight only work to export selected images (not my entire LR catalog) and the folder structure wouldn't be preserved, so I'd have a mass of saved images without folders to organize them.  However, if there's a way to use Eport as Catalog to achieve my goal, I'd love to hear it.

 

Any other ideas are welcome too!  Thank you!

dj_paige
Legend
December 23, 2019

"If I publish my LR photos/folders to a separate drive, will they be able to access/download/copy when they plug the drive into a different computer?  Are the images/folders permanently published and accessible there?  (Something about 'publish' sounds a bit temporary and possibly restricted to me, but I don't really know.)"

 

Publish is not temporary. The files and folder created are there for anyone to see or use if the drive is plugged in to any computer. These files and folders are "permanent"; I put permanent in quotes because no computer files are truly permanent, if someone deletes or modifies them after you publish them, the files are gone, and you can't really prevent that. Also if the disk fails, the files are gone as well, unless you have more backups.

 

"The Export as Catalog approach sounded like a a more customary way of 'saving' images permanently, but as I said, it seemed that mnight only work to export selected images (not my entire LR catalog) and the folder structure wouldn't be preserved, so I'd have a mass of saved images without folders to organize them."

 

Export as Catalog creates a new Lightroom Catalog file that is usable only by someone who has Lightroom and understands how to use it, which does not sound like the situation you are describing. It certainly does NOT save images permanently, it doesn't save images at all.

 

 

Participating Frequently
December 23, 2019

Thank you for these helpful responses.

 

If Publishing is "permanent" (with the caveat you mention), it does sound more promising than I thought.  I will experiment with the third party plug-ins mentioned.  (Can I assume that someone could use a software program other than LR to access the published images?

 

It makes sense that if you Export as Catalog someone would have to use LR to access the catalog and associated images.  And you're right, I'm trying to preserve the option for others to access the images without LR, so this probably isn't the best approach for me.  (One quibble: As I understand it, Export as Catalog does save whatever images you select together with the new catalog.  See https://helpx.adobe.com/lightroom-classic/help/create-catalogs.html#copy_or_move_a_catalog)

 

Thanks again!

 

Community Expert
December 23, 2019

For this purpose - maybe consider using a Publish method. This in effect provides a single "update" button which, on demand, automatically evaluates which qualifying images have been added or changed since the last time you used it (if ever) - and exports (or, re-exports) whatever images are required to bring things up to date within a destination folder on disk (you can also Publish into an online location, such as a Flickr account).

 

Publish can refer to a special Publish Collection, or else it can follow a Smart Publish Collection method drawing from your entire library (whereby you can set up rules for which images should qualify, e.g. only those which are both rated 3 stars or above, and lack the keyword "private"). 

 

Jeffrey Friedl offers two Publish plugins with added function, which may be of interest to you:

 

One organises the published image versions into subfolders within the designated location, according to your folders structure seen in  Lightroom http://regex.info/blog/lightroom-goodies/folder-publisher

 

Another organises them according to your LR Collections http://regex.info/blog/lightroom-goodies/collection-publisher .