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eoren1
Known Participant
December 23, 2017
Question

Sony a7rIII rendering is awful

Been using LR for years with a Canon 5DmkIII and recently switched to the Sony a7rIII.  I was excited to see LR support for Sony's raw files but the images rendered using Adobe's raw engine are just awful. 

There is a terrible color cast (green) that really isn't fully helped with adjusting white balance. Images look very flat with low/no contrast.  Also, details are terrible.

I tried Capture 1 Pro in comparison and, while an awful program for DAM, the color, contrast and sharpness/detail is incredible. 

Does Adobe ever correct their camera profiles?  Is there any way to render these images in a better way than the Adobe standard profile? The Sony profiles included in LR are even worse.

Using C1pro as a RAW editor seems quite clunky (even with the Open Directly plugin). 

Greatly appreciate your advice.  Happy to share example photos.

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7 commentaires

Known Participant
May 3, 2018

Hey Adobe!  What's up?!  You need to address this.

Todd Shaner
Legend
May 3, 2018

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Lightroom Classic 7.3 - Sony a7III Camera Profiles are Broken | Photoshop Family Customer Community

ssprengel
Inspiring
May 8, 2018

That other post is mostly about abrupt edges in what should be smooth out-of-focus background gradients, and Adobe has acknowledged they are working on a fix--to that issue.

This thread is at least talking about a yellow cast with some profiles. 

It seems to me that these are two different issues.  Perhaps Adobe will fix both by redoing the profiles, but perhaps not.  In many cases, they seem loathe to change color/tone rendering with a fix because it will invalidate anyone's work who has perfected their images using the old profiles.  Now if they make their coding smart enough to know what version of profile was used then maybe that is a solution.  Making a new v2 set of profiles would also mitigate the problem, but is overly cumbersome with such a new camera.

FranckFareman
Participating Frequently
March 22, 2018

Are there any news ???

The "Camera Standard" profile is really off, yellow is a problem there, whereas Adobe Standard does not have that problem.

I shoot JPEG + RAW and the RAW is simply off with yellow cast when using "Camera Standard" to get the same picture look as in JPEG. Really disappointing.

I do need Camera Standard, I have created my own profile now with Colorchecker Passport Photo which I extra bought for this purpose, the Colorchecker Profile has no yellow cast, that's fine, but it is also not perfect as it seems that 24 patterns are not enough.

I'm now using the free Capture One 11 Sony Express and then importing into Lightroom to have the color correctly.

When will this problem be fixed ? I do use Nikon D810 as second camera and there JPEG and RAW with "Camera Standard" are perfectly matching as expected.

Other option would be to cancel Adobe membership and fully switching to Capture One 11 any paying them, but I'm really satisfied for more then 12 years with Adobe Products, would be bad.

Just Shoot Me
Legend
March 22, 2018

Show us a screen shot of the problem you are having.

FranckFareman
Participating Frequently
March 22, 2018

Yes, here is a test example, the ones of the Sony are all the same picture, shoot in RAW + JPEG, RAW developed in Lightroom and Capture One 11, no adjustments made, white balance is for all the same, Nikon D810 shoot slightly different angle and it seems whitebalance is a little bit different with the Nikon, but that's fine, skin tones are all very good expect of the Lightroom Camera Standard for Sony.

As you can see the "skin" color is for the 1., 3. and 4. picture are nearly the same and all fine for me, consistent results, only the Lightroom Camera Standard for Sony A7r III has a yellow cast (Picture 2) and that is my problem, never had such a problem with Lightroom with any other camera before, Camera Standard is normally the same as OOC JPEG and what is displayed on the camera rear LCD screen.

Sony A7r III OOC Jpeg:

Sony A7r III Lightroom with Camera Standard Profile:

Sony a7r III Capture One 11 Sony Express:

Nikon D810 Lightroom Camera Standard Profile:

vinodt68994727
Participant
February 13, 2018

I have used Adobe LR for years, and now just started a new Sony A7III.  When I download the raw pics with a converted, the options now seem fewer.  For example under Camera Calibration only Adobe Standard shows up. What might one do to be able to apply LR like I used to with Nikon??!  Thank you.

Just Shoot Me
Legend
February 13, 2018

I just downloaded several Sony A7iii raw files and have these option in the Camera Calibration section.

So I don't know what the problem is with your system.

What exact version of LR are you using?

There is a brand new update for LR, V 7.2. Use the Creative Cloud Desktop App to update LR to the newest version. That is if you subscribe to the Photographers plan.

Just Shoot Me
Legend
December 24, 2017

I just downloaded 15 Sony a7r iii files and all of them look fine.

You have some other problem. Like a corrupted monitor profile.

Participant
February 13, 2018

No, he doesn't have some other problem.

Lightroom's ability to render Sony RAW files is notoriously awful and has been for a very long time. It has to do with how Lightroom can't read the built in "Sony creative styles" which Sony imbeds in their RAWS. Capture1 can along with Sony's IDC software. This has been a long thorn in the side for us Sony users and why Adobe doesn't do this is beyond me. Also, the sharpness is horrific. In Lightroom, details look muddy compared to other programs. There is currently no support inside Lightroom for "DRO" either which Sony's IDC and Capture both can decipher.

I actually wrote about this a few years ago on my blog. John De Bord Photography Photoblog: Do you shoot Sony cameras? Here's the biggest unknown tip ever.

Community Expert
February 13, 2018

johnd60246340  wrote

No, he doesn't have some other problem.

Lightroom's ability to render Sony RAW files is notoriously awful and has been for a very long time. It has to do with how Lightroom can't read the built in "Sony creative styles" which Sony imbeds in their RAWS. Capture1 can along with Sony's IDC software. This has been a long thorn in the side for us Sony users and why Adobe doesn't do this is beyond me. Also, the sharpness is horrific. In Lightroom, details look muddy compared to other programs. There is currently no support inside Lightroom for "DRO" either which Sony's IDC and Capture both can decipher.

I actually wrote about this a few years ago on my blog. John De Bord Photography Photoblog: Do you shoot Sony cameras? Here's the biggest unknown tip ever.

John,

I don't know why not being able to read these metadata tags makes raw rendering awful. Lightroom can't read these for ANY camera. Sony is not an exception. I never change these in camera (it's a giant pain to try and change these in camera and they don't affect the raw data anyway) and only switch them in the profile section in Lightroom. Using the camera profiles like shown by "just shoot me" above, out-of-the-box rendering is virtually identical to the in-camera rendering so the inability to read the metadata tag is rather inconsequential. Camera profiles are a strangely unknown feature of Lightroom. Just set your default for your camera to render using camera Standard and you're generally golden.

Community Expert
December 24, 2017

Hmm,

just tried a few files and they look just fine. Especially using the camera standard profile for these. Certainly no strange green cast.

Legend
December 23, 2017

Are you using Lightroom Classic CC 7.1? I believe this is first ver w/ support.

Just Shoot Me
Legend
December 23, 2017

joefry99  wrote

Are you using Lightroom Classic CC 7.1? I believe this is first ver w/ support.

Hey Joe he isn't having problems importing or view the A7III images. He says they look bad and no adjustments fix it.

Just Shoot Me
Legend
December 23, 2017

Create a custom camera profile.

Have you look at the Camera Calibration section of LR. There may be other profiles already included that work better with that camera.

I use Fuji gear and use the Adobe create Fuji profiles that are included in LR instead of the Standard Adobe profile.

eoren1
eoren1Auteur
Known Participant
December 23, 2017

Thanks.

I checked all of the other profiles and they are far worse. More color cast and/or excessive amounts of contrast.

I'm curious if a custom camera profile would fix this for me and wonder if anyone has had success with that using the Sony

Just Shoot Me
Legend
December 23, 2017

Can you show us a screen shot of the develop module with one of those images.

This sound more like you have a bad memory card, bad camera, bad cable from card reader or camera to computer or some other hardware malfunction.

I, personally, have not seen any other reports of the problem you are having.