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Stichwörter werden in falschen Gruppen vergeben

Forum|Forum|8 months ago
June 25, 2025
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Ich verwalte in LR Classic eine umfangreiche Stichwortliste.
Immer wieder passiert es, dass ein Stichwort in einer anderen Gruppe, oft in der obersten Ebene vergeben werden, ohne dass ich sie dort eingetragen hätte.
Hier ein Beispiel:

Ich habe eine Gruppe "Familie" erstellt, in der verschiedene Namen als Gruppe der nächsten Ebene von mir angelegt wurden. Dann erscheint an anderer Stelle entweder noch einmal unter der obersten Ebene die Gruppe "Familie" mit einer Untergruppe mit einem Namen und einer geringen Anzahl von Bildern, die ich dort nie hinzugefügt habe.

Hat jemand eine Idee, wie das zustande kommen kann?

Und wichtig wäre mir eine Lösung, wie ich die Eintragungen, die in einer nicht gewollten Gruppe auftauchen, der richtigen Person in der richtigen Gruppe zugeordnet werden können.
Bisher habe ich tausende Bilder nacheinander markiert und geprüft, ob ein Bild in der falschern Gruppe auftaucht. Dann habe ich das Bild in der falschen Stichwortgruppe entfernt und der richtigen zugeordnet.
Das ist natürlich eine zeitaufwändige Arbeit.

Ich habe das im beigefügten BNild dargestellt.

Ich würde mich sehr über eine Unterstützung freuen.

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Correct answer JohanElzenga

This can (will) happen if you export images with flat keywords, and then import these images into the catalog again. Because the keywords in the imported images are not having the same hierarchy, they are added as new top level keywords.

amohnst

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Hi, I have repeatetly the same problem! As JohanElzenga stated, this happens when you export images in another folder (e.g. from raw to jpg) and check “import in the catalogue” in the export dialogue.Depending if you checked “write keywords as LR-hirachie” or not they get reimportened in the flattened way or with the root keyword. This is annoying and every time it happens I remember that I should not “re-import” to the catalogue. I think the only way to overcome this is: only export and then synchronise the folder, if you like to see it in the catalogue. But I am even not sure if this would solve the problem …...

Many thanks, Andrea

johnrellis

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If you select the Export option Metadata > Write Keywords As Lightroom Hierarchy when you’ve checked Add To This Catalog, then the hierarchical keywords are preserved. Is there a reason you don’t want to check that option?

amohnst

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In fact no, after realising the consequences I have that always checked for a long time now. But that is not the ultimate ratio. It works with the actual setting of the keyword list and new photos. But I have been using LRC for many years and in the course of time my keyword list grew and got modified several times. There are some steps I identified which could make problems when re-importing:

check “export synomyms” in the options dialogue of a keyword - they all will land flat in the keyword list as new keywords
in the same dialogue you can uncheck “export with higher level keywords” - in this case the top level will not be exported and when re-importing the photo the hirachie of the lower level is put as new tree in the keyword list.
if you modify the top level or more higher level keywords, all the photos which had been keyworded before will use the older keywords and trees and this will show as new in the actual keyword list when re-importet.

So, that is what I remember at the moment and although I am aware of all this, I still get in troubles now and then and end up cleaning my keyword list again…..

Many thanks, Andrea

JohanElzenga

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Community Expert

This can (will) happen if you export images with flat keywords, and then import these images into the catalog again. Because the keywords in the imported images are not having the same hierarchy, they are added as new top level keywords.

-- Johan W. Elzenga

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Colorful_play0D45Author

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Sorry to be late. MayI come back to my initial question.

Has anyone an idea how to assign entries that appear in an unwanted group to the right group.
So far I have marked thousands of pictures one after the other and checked whether a picture appears in the wrong group. Then I removed the picture in the wrong keyword group and assigned it to the right one. It's a hell of work having to scrfamble thru so many pictures.
This is of course time-consuming work.

Best regards<br />Horst

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Aleke

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Hi @Colorful_play0D45! Thanks so much for reaching out

Just to make sure I’m understanding correctly — are you saying the “Andrea” keyword showed up at the top level, even though it should’ve been nested under the “Family” group? Have you noticed this happening with any other keywords too?

Also, could you let me know which version of Lightroom Classic you’re using? That’ll help us troubleshoot more accurately.

Thanks again!
Alek

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Colorful_play0D45Author

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Hello @Aleke ,

To repeat what I tried to demonstrate:

Andrea shows up 3 times.

Once in the root level.
Then in the root level in a group "Familie" , which should not existe there either.
And finally and correctly in the levels root > Personen (persons) > Familie (family).

I guess to use the actual version 14.4 of Lightroom.

@JohanElzenga

HI Johan,

Thanks a lot for your reply.
This could have happened. I will pay attention to what happens if I reimport images.
One question: What do have to understand with "flat keywords"? Are these short keywords?

Best regards<br />Horst

JohanElzenga

Community Expert

"Flat" keywords are keywords that are not in a hierarchy.

-- Johan W. Elzenga

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