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mastix
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June 15, 2023
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Top hierarchy tag exported even if the option is not selected

  • June 15, 2023
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I have all my keywords under alphabetic top hierarchy tags because if there are too many (as I would like without hierarchy) they will not show in the list because of some Windows limit as far as I know. I have the option to include on export not checked. It doesn't matter . It gets exported anyway and when I use a third delivery program for images I have to keep erasing all those alphabet letters that got exported with the keywords.

Is there any way around it ?

 

I hope someday Lightroom will let us disable all the hierarchy feature altogether and we can have all our keywords in one list available to review. Don't know if this has been accomplished in windows 11 and that maximum number of characters limit has been solved ?

 

But for the time being an efective way to say maybe in the EXPORT panel-Do not export any top hierarchy word would solve the issue.

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    Ian Lyons
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    Ian LyonsCommunity Expert
    Community Expert
    June 15, 2023

    Have you unchecked the Keyword Tag Option 'Include on Export' as shown in attached screenshot?

     

    The Edit Keyword Tag is available from the  context menu for each keyword.

     

     

     

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    mastixAuthor
    Inspiring
    June 15, 2023

    Yes.

     

    I think I found what the problem/bug is. Even with that not checked the top words get exported. They should not as when you look at the Keyword tags "will export" those top level words are not there. But when you finally export they will get exported and be visible in another software that reads metadata (in my case DeepMeta to upload images to Gettyimages).......UNLESS you also select in the export window option (I convert to JPgs from Tiffs) the METADATA panel (Include all Metadata ) AND "Write keywords as Lightroom Hierarchy" This has to be checked . Does not matter if you did not check the "Include on export" those keywords will not be ignored unless you have that option checked in LR.

     

    This is not intuitive at all because as you said you think that once you have the Include on export blank it would not matter if you check or not the "Write keywords as Lightroom Hierarchy". But it matters. 

    johnrellis
    johnrellis
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    June 16, 2023

    I'm observing different (and nearly correct) behavior. 

     

    I assigned the hierarchical keyword XX > YY to a photo, and unchecked the attribute Export Containing Keywords of keyword YY. Here's what Exiftool shows in the various metadata fields that contain keywords when the export option Write Keywords As Lightroom Hierarchy is unchecked and checked:

     

     

    This behavior is all correct (as-designed), except for the cell shown in red -- Adobe has acknowledged that as a bug:

    https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-bugs/p-adobe-stock-publishing-service-uploads-a-keyword-when-include-on-export-unchecked/idi-p/12568669

     

    IPTC:Keywords and XMP:Subject are the industry-standard fields containing keywords, and LR always sets them to have the same value. These are the fields that other apps read to get the keywords.

     

    XMP:WeightedFlatSubject and XMP:HierarchicalSubject are Adobe proprietary metadata fields that most apps don't understand and ignore. As far as I know, XMP:WeightedFlatSubject is only understood by LR and the Adobe Stock service; thus, the bug shown in red above only affects users of Adobe Stock.

     

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