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3D timeline rotation is choppy in Photoshop

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Hello.  I am new to Photoshop and very new to 3D and video timeline.  I am simply trying to make a planet I made spin.  I have watched tons of youtube videos and read a bunch of google posts and nothing seems to work except one I found saying to use 3D mesh.  I used the stop watch at the 1st position then moved the time over to 1 sec then rotated the planet on the Y axis then clicked the stop watch again.  This worked except that it is super super choppy/laggy yet in the video I watched it was smooth.  Thanks in advance for any help.  Gary

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    davescm
    Community Expert
    Community Expert
    July 30, 2019

    The preview playback speed will depend on both the size of your image canvas and the playback rate.

    Looking at your zoom level , it looks like you have picked a very large pixel size for your image. For video renders work no higher than your intended video output or you will find that each frame takes far too long to render (remember when finally rendered it will use ray tracing rather than the GPU preview render). So if your intended output is a full HD video use 1920 x 1080 pixels for your image canvas. If your intended output is to a gif - then reduce the canvas size further still.

    You have also chosen 30fps as the framerate in your timeline. That should render fine in a video format such as mp4 but will be too fast for a gif. I normally limit gifs to around 12-15fps. Any faster and some browsers actually slow the playback down.

    Dave

    garrobalAuthor
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    July 30, 2019

    Thankyou. Thats quite a bit of info for me but I think I understand. I

    rendered the video and it did quite fast as an MP4. When I played it on a

    viewer it worked well. My next question is can an MP4 be put into a

    timeline? I want to add orbiting moons and I assumed the best/easiest way

    to work on multiple 3d timeline animations would be to make one item its

    own video and then do the next and put them all together later? I am sorry

    Im such a newb I have only been using photoshop for about a month and the

    3d and timeline for a week or so. My only experience before that was about

    4 months working with GIMP. I really appreciate your help!! Gary

    davescm
    Community Expert
    Community Expert
    July 30, 2019

    Yes - you can open an mp4 as a video layer. Again the preview may not play at full speed/smoothness. You can of course reduce the preview resolution in the timeline to improve smoothness - this does not affect the final render

    However - you should be able to put multiple objects (in your case moons)  in the same 3D layer and animate each mesh. Or make them on separate 3D layers and then use "merge 3D layers" to bring them all into the same space where they will share lighting. That way the moons will cast a shadow on your planet as they pass.

    Dave

    Sahil.Chawla
    Adobe Employee
    Adobe Employee
    July 30, 2019

    Hi Gary,

    As the 3D planet rotation is Laggy in Photoshop, it might be due to the system configuration. Could you please post Photoshop's Help > System Info dialog text here?

    Also, are you viewing the rotation after rendering the 3D planet or just playing it on the timeline?

    Try rendering it and view it in a different application: 3D rendering and saving in Photoshop

    Regards,

    Sahil

    garrobalAuthor
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    July 30, 2019

    Hello.  Thanks for the response.  I am viewing it as a preview it is not rendered.  Here is the info you asked for:

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       Targa 20.0 - from the file “Standard MultiPlugin.8bf”

       Texturizer 20.0 - from the file “Filter Gallery.8bf”

       Tiles 20.0 - from the file “Standard MultiPlugin.8bf”

       Torn Edges 20.0 - from the file “Filter Gallery.8bf”

       Twirl 20.0 - from the file “Standard MultiPlugin.8bf”

       U3D 20.0 (20190605.r.83 2019/06/05: 1206907) - from the file “U3D.8bi”

       Underpainting 20.0 - from the file “Filter Gallery.8bf”

       Vanishing Point 20.0 - from the file “VanishingPoint.8bf”

       Variance 20.0 (20190605.r.83 2019/06/05: 1206907) - from the file “statistics.8ba”

       Virtual Reality Modeling Language | VRML 20.0 (20190605.r.83 2019/06/05: 1206907) - from the file “U3D.8bi”

       Water Paper 20.0 - from the file “Filter Gallery.8bf”

       Watercolor 20.0 - from the file “Filter Gallery.8bf”

       Wave 20.0 - from the file “Standard MultiPlugin.8bf”

       Wavefront|OBJ 20.0 (20190605.r.83 2019/06/05: 1206907) - from the file “U3D.8bi”

       WIA Support 20.0 (20190605.r.83 2019/06/05: 1206907) - from the file “WIASupport.8li”

       Wind 20.0 - from the file “Standard MultiPlugin.8bf”

       Wireless Bitmap 20.0 (20190605.r.83 2019/06/05: 1206907) - from the file “WBMP.8bi”

       ZigZag 20.0 - from the file “Standard MultiPlugin.8bf”

    Optional and third party plug-ins: NONE

    Duplicate and Disabled plug-ins: NONE

    Plug-ins that failed to load: NONE

    Extensions:

       com.adobe.Butler.backend  2.1.1 - from the file “C:\Program Files\Adobe\Adobe Photoshop CC 2019\Required\CEP\extensions\com.adobe.Butler.backend\index.html”

       com.adobe.inapp.purchase  1.0.0 - from the file “C:\Program Files (x86)\Common Files\Adobe\CEP\extensions\CC_LIBRARIES_PANEL_EXTENSION_3_2_108\purchaseStock.html”

       com.adobe.stock.panel.licensing  0.1.0 - from the file “C:\Program Files\Adobe\Adobe Photoshop CC 2019\Required\CEP\extensions\com.adobe.stock.panel.licensing\index.html”

       Libraries  1.0.0 - from the file “C:\Program Files (x86)\Common Files\Adobe\CEP\extensions\CC_LIBRARIES_PANEL_EXTENSION_3_2_108\index.html”

       New Document  2.5.1 - from the file “C:\Program Files (x86)\Common Files\Adobe\CEP\extensions\com.adobe.ccx.fnft-2.5.1\fnft.html?v=2.5.1.8”

       com.adobe.inapp.typekit.purchase  1.0.0 - from the file “C:\Program Files (x86)\Common Files\Adobe\CEP\extensions\CC_LIBRARIES_PANEL_EXTENSION_3_2_108\purchaseTypekit.html”

       Home  2.7.1 - from the file “C:\Program Files (x86)\Common Files\Adobe\CEP\extensions\com.adobe.ccx.start-2.7.1\index.html?v=2.7.1.2”

       Adobe Color Themes  6.1.0 - from the file “C:\Program Files\Adobe\Adobe Photoshop CC 2019\Required\CEP\extensions\com.adobe.KulerPanel.html\index.html”

       Export As  4.6.7 - from the file “C:\Program Files\Adobe\Adobe Photoshop CC 2019\Required\CEP\extensions\com.adobe.photoshop.crema\index.html”

       Export As  4.6.7 - from the file “C:\Program Files\Adobe\Adobe Photoshop CC 2019\Required\CEP\extensions\com.adobe.photoshop.crema\index.html”

    Installed TWAIN devices: NONE

    Now I have a second question.  I saved a 3D image I was working on (not rendered) and when I re-opened it there is this black shadowy stuff on it.  I closed and re-opened multiple times but its still there.  Thanks

    garrobalAuthor
    Known Participant
    July 30, 2019

    PS can you recommend a free tutorial that would teach me this stuff without having to bother you guys in the forum?  I have not found a good one.  Thanks again!  Gary