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fotografffic
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November 20, 2017
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Why does Organizer create duplicate images?

  • November 20, 2017
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I've been told in a response to a related questions I asked in another thread that when I move photos within Organizer the files will be renamed with a -1 suffix. But the original photos are actually duplicated, not overwritten!! Why?!

Upon opening Organizer for the first time, I decided to better organize my photos and moved around hundreds of them. That's what you do with an organizer, right?!

So I check my Windows 10 Pictures folder and find hundreds of exact duplicates (same size, dimensions, etc) of the photos I moved. These duplicate photos do NOT show in Organizer, only on my hard drive. I deleted them only to find that Organizer now says these photos are missing....and I have to reconnect each.

Why does Organizer make duplicates? They consume disk space, a precious commodity for those of us who have a very modestly sized Solid-state drive.

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    Correct answer MichelBParis

    fotografffic  wrote

    I've been told in a response to a related questions I asked in another thread that when I move photos within Organizer the files will be renamed with a -1 suffix. But the original photos are actually duplicated, not overwritten!! Why?!

    Upon opening Organizer for the first time, I decided to better organize my photos and moved around hundreds of them. That's what you do with an organizer, right?!

    So I check my Windows 10 Pictures folder and find hundreds of exact duplicates (same size, dimensions, etc) of the photos I moved. These duplicate photos do NOT show in Organizer, only on my hard drive. I deleted them only to find that Organizer now says these photos are missing....and I have to reconnect each.

    Why does Organizer make duplicates? They consume disk space, a precious commodity for those of us who have a very modestly sized Solid-state drive.

    My answer is that I don't believe the organizer has created any duplicate.  It has found duplicates and I can't explain what is going on in your computer. I have seen cases where the duplicates have been created by other processes (sync with the Cloud, Acronis services creating new drive letters... not only editing programs like Picasa) I don't understand at all how you have put your files on the computer after 'cleaning' the Pictures folder.

    In other posts I have said that only the downloader can import duplicates on certain circumstances if you import from camera or card reader.

    Even the 'watched folders' service only searches and indexes files in the catalog (only links).

    I have never read of a similar case in this and other Elements forums.

    What I have seen and I can explain is:

    1 - The organizer is programmed to prohibit importing (indexing) duplicate files in the catalog.

    2 - Duplicate file for a catalog are file with the same size in Kbytes and date_taken

    3 - The result is what you are seeing: you have more files in your folder than in the catalog

    4 - In the import process, the files are scanned to check if they are similar to those in the catalog (which explains that duplicates can be found in a batch process with an empty catalog at start. The first file found is imported, the duplicate is rejected and you get messages that files have not been imported because they are already in the catalog - they were not in the empty catalog, but they appeared in the course of the import process.

    5 replies

    Participant
    June 4, 2024

    I fixed this on my Windows 10 PC within the Organizer Photo Downloader. When prompted to "Get Photos from:" at the top of the Photo Downloader pop-up box, click on the folder icon to the right of the drop-down menu listing device choices. Then unclick the "Removable storage" options, leaving (at least in my case) the DCIM selected only.

    Inspiring
    June 5, 2024

    Anche io ho il problema di file duplicati. Pensavo di averlo risolto ripristinando il back up precedente. Invece il problema rimane. Vorrei conoscere le origini di questo grave inconveniente per isolare l'errore in seguito.

    Participant
    July 20, 2020

    I have the same problem, Many exact duplicates which I cannot explain.

    I used to occur in version 10 and 14 I am now trying 2020, But the same happens again

    another problem is if I stack photoś I have to pack them one by one and not in bulk as it used to be.

    MichelBParis
    Legend
    July 20, 2020

    another problem is if I stack photoś I have to pack them one by one and not in bulk as it used to be.

    May I suggest to start a new discussion about this issue?

    Please provide a little more details about what you want and what did work which no longer does.

     

    For the duplicate issues, let's follow the present discussion, stating if you are on Mac or Win and which version?

    DennisRBh
    Participating Frequently
    August 11, 2020

    I have the same problem as what is described above on a PC running Windows 10, build 1904. I'm using Elements 2020 and have not had a good experience with this product after using Photoshop CS5 previously on a Windows 7 PC without these types of problems.

    Participant
    October 15, 2018

    I have the same issue and I cannot remember how this occurred but I started with photoshop elements 5, I thought something might have changed since then.  I KNOW I did not create all these duplicates that have a -1 or if 2 duplicates a -2 etc. 

    I finally found a post where someone is answering this in regards to importing pictures via a camera and bringing in duplicates. The original photo and the duplicates have been cataloged in the same catalog assuming because they have a different name.

    https://forums.adobe.com/thread/2167213

    I know this is an old post but maybe you will be notified that someone replied on it.

    Participating Frequently
    January 31, 2018

    this is not, i repeat, a solution or even an explanation of the duplicate problem. i spent an hour with an apple tech. checking my computer. my mac is not the problem. i had a total of over two hours between online chats and an extended telephone call with adobe techs and they DO NOT have an explanation much less a solution. they were not even aware that this is a widespread problem. i only hope my experience will escalate adobe's effort to solve this.

    MichelBParis
    Legend
    January 31, 2018

    robertl12222787  wrote

    this is not, i repeat, a solution or even an explanation of the duplicate problem. i spent an hour with an apple tech. checking my computer. my mac is not the problem. i had a total of over two hours between online chats and an extended telephone call with adobe techs and they DO NOT have an explanation much less a solution. they were not even aware that this is a widespread problem. i only hope my experience will escalate adobe's effort to solve this.

    You may repeat it, but what is widespread is that there are many risks of creating duplicates on your computer with or without Elements. That has probably happened to all photographers. What you may consider as widespread is that people are importing several times the same files from camera or otherwise (even with the filter in the downloader). We have just seen in various forums a handful of cases of users reporting the issue and thinking that Elements creates spontaneously duplicates. No way to reproduce the problem.

    The import problem has been discussed for more than ten years and complaints have become rare. The only reason I might have quoted Macs is because the file size criteria in kb may have been handled differently in older versions. Obviously, you can't expect an explanation by Mac experts.

    So, if you want to convince anybody that Elements creates duplicates on its own, you need first to prove that its not the downloader (that is easy if you control the files you import). The automatic import created by 'watched folders' must be controlled as well. If you find new duplicates after that (easier to check by visual browsing of chronological sorted files or 'visual searches') it will be easier to find the user process or command which has triggered the duplication, backup and restores or the like.

    Good practices in my opinion:

    - don't use the default 'bulk' import, use the 'import' selectively from folders.

    - Importing from card, either remove the files after they have been downloaded, processed and backed up or check the selection before importing (I always do)

    - Be prudent in using 'watched folders' with automatic import.

    - Using a single catalog is much safer than using several because the filter on import will not find 'already present files in the catalog' and import again with a suffix in the same subfolder.

    - If you see duplicates, check if they have the same date_taken or file size in kB.

    - To troubleshoot, also check 'Import batches'. Very often, if you find one file, the other files in the batch will be other duplicates, even for different dates.

    - Good practices to avoid 'visual duplicates' (different sizes) is to avoid creating or exporting copies on your computer, rather create only temporary copies for printing, for a slideshow or creation. You can add the files to albums and reexport them as you want for different purposes. Be sure there is a good reason to 'import' exported files.

    Participating Frequently
    February 2, 2018

    You might as well be talking a foreign language. I do not comprehend what

    you are trying to say.

    MichelBParis
    MichelBParisCorrect answer
    Legend
    November 20, 2017

    fotografffic  wrote

    I've been told in a response to a related questions I asked in another thread that when I move photos within Organizer the files will be renamed with a -1 suffix. But the original photos are actually duplicated, not overwritten!! Why?!

    Upon opening Organizer for the first time, I decided to better organize my photos and moved around hundreds of them. That's what you do with an organizer, right?!

    So I check my Windows 10 Pictures folder and find hundreds of exact duplicates (same size, dimensions, etc) of the photos I moved. These duplicate photos do NOT show in Organizer, only on my hard drive. I deleted them only to find that Organizer now says these photos are missing....and I have to reconnect each.

    Why does Organizer make duplicates? They consume disk space, a precious commodity for those of us who have a very modestly sized Solid-state drive.

    My answer is that I don't believe the organizer has created any duplicate.  It has found duplicates and I can't explain what is going on in your computer. I have seen cases where the duplicates have been created by other processes (sync with the Cloud, Acronis services creating new drive letters... not only editing programs like Picasa) I don't understand at all how you have put your files on the computer after 'cleaning' the Pictures folder.

    In other posts I have said that only the downloader can import duplicates on certain circumstances if you import from camera or card reader.

    Even the 'watched folders' service only searches and indexes files in the catalog (only links).

    I have never read of a similar case in this and other Elements forums.

    What I have seen and I can explain is:

    1 - The organizer is programmed to prohibit importing (indexing) duplicate files in the catalog.

    2 - Duplicate file for a catalog are file with the same size in Kbytes and date_taken

    3 - The result is what you are seeing: you have more files in your folder than in the catalog

    4 - In the import process, the files are scanned to check if they are similar to those in the catalog (which explains that duplicates can be found in a batch process with an empty catalog at start. The first file found is imported, the duplicate is rejected and you get messages that files have not been imported because they are already in the catalog - they were not in the empty catalog, but they appeared in the course of the import process.

    fotografffic
    Known Participant
    November 20, 2017

    Okay, thank you again.

    For what it's worth, I found some information about duplicate files.

    http://smallbusiness.chron.com/delete-duplicates-photoshop-elements-46056.html

    "A common problem that arises when using Photoshop Elements is that it creates duplicate files of the images you are editing."

    But I don't recall editing any of the photos that are duplicates. Only relocated them to different folders within Organizer. As you said, it must be something else.


    "If you can't beat, join 'em."

    MichelBParis
    Legend
    November 20, 2017

    fotografffic  wrote

    Okay, thank you again.

    For what it's worth, I found some information about duplicate files.

    http://smallbusiness.chron.com/delete-duplicates-photoshop-elements-46056.html

    "A common problem that arises when using Photoshop Elements is that it creates duplicate files of the images you are editing."

    But I don't recall editing any of the photos that are duplicates. Only relocated them to different folders within Organizer. As you said, it must be something else.


    "If you can't beat, join 'em."

    That's not information.

    Nothing like what you are experiencing now.

    I am pretty sure that what she means is that  YOU (the user) can create duplicate files of the images you are editing. Those are not duplicates like those you are seeing: real duplicates according to the size/date definition. They are 'visual' duplicates or versions.

    If we forget the organizer for a moment, we can see that photo editing and organizer tools have many reasons to create several kinds of duplicates; that explains the number of dedicated softwares to kill or manage duplicates.

    What you'll find about importing duplicates are many complaints about the downloader (from camera or card reader). In some circumstances, especially in older versions (mainly MACS) the downloader does not or did not filter already imported files from cards.