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September 9, 2018
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2 questions Captions and Timecode

  • September 9, 2018
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1°: Captions Problem

I created a closed caption clip on my Premiere 12.1.2 for MACINTOSH. Later I had to do some relevant changes in the timeline and I cut the open caption adding another caption from a different project.

The open caption was cut in two parts just like all other clips in the time line where I also had to change a different editing.

While watching the feature the subtitles appear where they should be, in the CAPTION is no longer visible and selectable as such:

If I click one of the captions it opens the CAPTION page but the timecode is correct only for the first chunk of the clip, the second chunk shows properly at the proper time but in the CAPTION file which I need to open double clicking the caption itself shows a totally different timecode.

IS there a way to merge the cut clip into one?

2° TIMECODE PROBLEM

SOme of my clip display weird timecode as 24.23 and so on.

Everything we filmed was 25fps and there seem no way to fix it even replacing the clip

Any suggestions?

Thanks

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Correct answer Stan Jones

I see the captions in the program monitor. But I can't export them as SRT as the option is grey out in the EXPORT options.

My question now is as follows: where Premiere stores the captions? THey must be somewhere and can I find ways to rescue them?

I absolutely need to save them as SRT and this seems impossible.

This was my way to attempt to solve the project:

1st

I duplicated the project twice and saved it in a brand new hard disk as COPY 1 and COPY2

2nd

I cut the ending (captions, video, audio) from the COPY 1 and saved as a new project with a new name as PART1

3rd

I opened Copy2 and cut the beginning  (captions, video, audio)  from the COPY 2 and saved as a new project with a new name as PART2

4th

I created a new project called FINAL in a hard disk where I had previously copied every single AUDIO and VIDEO file for the whole thing

5th I removed all hard drives from my mac leaving ONLY the brand new one where I had the new projects (PART1 Beginning and PART2 ENDING)

I also removed from my main Hard drive all the Adobe Premiere Pro Previews (AUDIO VIDEO), Adobe Premiere Pro Auto-Save, Adobe Premiere Pro Captured Audio, uninstalled Premiere, Photoshop, Media Encoder and removed everything else ADOBE I could find using Fast Find.

6th

Restarted the computer, Run Disk Warrior and Disk Utility, Reloaded Premiere Pro and Media encoder from the Creative cloud server, reinstalled the PRORES files from Adobe and installed them and 2 effects from FXFACTORY.

I opened PART1 and selected all  (captions, video, audio) and pasted it in the new Final project timeline

7th

I closed PART 1 and opened the PART2 prprojct

8th

Selected every file from PART2 and pasted it in the new Final project timeline placing the cursor at the end.

9th

Closed the PART2 project

10th

enlarged the  Open Caption till the end of the window

11th

Pasted the whole Caption from the Part2 in the Caption clip stream

12th

As now every file was unlinked I linked everything again and had a new project with 1 Caption track, The various video (includig adjustment layers, back layer and transparent layer), the Audio clips.

The result:

Again in this new project I was unable to find the caption tab after the HISTORY tab, while BEFORE adding the files it was visible.

If I click in any of the captions (now in one single stream no cuts) a Caption window opens and the timecode is totally wrong although it appears where each caption should be in the program monitor.

I hope this explains properly my problem thanks for your patience and please let me kn ow if there is something I could send you to help understanding the problems, although the actual files are so big and many that they will all appear unlinked if I do so

Kind regards and thanks again


Other threads have addressed parts of this.

Example:

Re: How to move all captions at once?

My conclusion is that you can't do this with Open Captions, even though you can with Closed Captions. I'm still open to ways to make this work, but the only ones I see are done before cutting up the stream. And you cannot convert Open Captions to Closed.

Why can't you use the stream from the project panel? First, the only way to export an Open Caption as an .srt is to do so from the Project Panel, so it is exporting the full caption stream. Second, when you add an Open Caption stream to a timeline, and then cut it up, It ignores any timecodes as to location of captions on the timeline. It retains the caption timings from the stream. It creates no "extra" streams in the project panel.

You ask where the captions are stored. They are in the project, and, I now believe in the cache. Dealing with them in this form is difficult, it requires escaped code within the XML. I cannot find my notes or a link to one thread where we discussed this.

Edit: the cache files are only certain captions. I suspect when a file is imported with a caption stream embedded. In any event, this is not an option for recovering captions from a timeline. The project file content is viable.

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Stan Jones
Community Expert
Community Expert
September 9, 2018

You seem to say you used a Closed Caption and then added an Open Caption. Are they Closed, Open, or mixed? Two other threads today are addressing similar issues, but what type of captions will matter.

Is your goal a sidecar, embedded, or burned in?

I don't understand your screenshot. It appears to be just the tabs of the Project panel/Captions group.

I would look at your source clip in MediaInfo or similar. Any chance it is variable frame rate (VFR)?

DantemAuthor
Inspiring
September 9, 2018

Thanks Stan for your time and reply

I am sorry but I wrote badly and as I am new to this forum I don't know how to edit the question.

I am using only closed caption as exporting them I need them to be visible

In my screenshot I tried to show the caption is not visible

After restarting my MAC and opening a new project and adding an open ìcaption file I got this error

[/PPro12.1.2/releases/PremierePro/UIFramework/Src/SearchBoxControl.cpp-183]

Is the MediaInfo what I see in the Metadata Window once I select the Caption Clip?

Stan Jones
Community Expert
Community Expert
September 9, 2018

Mediainfo is a separate application. I think there is a mac version.