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Shebbe
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April 15, 2025
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25.2 new colormanagement workflow issue

  • April 15, 2025
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I'm trying to adopt Premiere's colormanagement into our workflows to hopefully remove the need for LUTs for offline editing. However there is seemingly a massive drawback in managing how Sequence Clip media is treated. 

 

You can not change the tone mapping method for multiple clips at once to something else. You can also not force a default for the entire sequence or project. Having everything by default set to Hue Preservation regardless of the source is not working for us.

 

Happy to be correct here if I just missed something.

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    Shebbe
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    ShebbeCommunity ExpertAuthor
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    April 19, 2025

    @Chetan Nanda , @Alexis Van Hurkman I'd like to comment again on this topic. While I hope there will be at least a way to change tone mapping method in batch for multiple clips, even more ideal would be that this is also something that can be modified for the whole sequence at once. 

    You have to understand, since I'm a colorist I'm perfectly capable of understanding what is going on, but having to explain this to 'more basic editors' and making them responsible for keeping track of this next to the already 'complex' task of tagging the media properly is imo already too much. This is bound to go wrong especially since barely anything can be set project level wide.

     

    I hope that you'll consider moving sequence management to project management whilst keeping the option for the user to deviate if necessary per sequence and that this project wide management also includes tone mapping method choice for scene to display referred conversions regardless of the working space.

    Realistically speaking, most users will only need 1 kind of color management and 1 target display for the entire project anyway. In earlier feedback I gave an example what that could look like.

     

    It means a media manager can set up the entire project once, and then the editor shouldn't have to bother with anything color management related unless new media comes in that only needs to be tagged with the correct input space.

     

    This is how Resolve handles it too and is much more efficient than always dealing with unique management per sequence which can easily go wrong if not paying attention.

    And if the user does alter it's sequence management against the project this warning is what you see on project level management.

     

    Some food for thought.

      R Neil Haugen
      R Neil Haugen
      Legend
      April 19, 2025

      Always grateful for your highly experinced and well-stated participation on this topic, Shebbe.

       

      Also, openly acknowledging the issue of editors not always being able to correctly apply CM so there needs to be both the simplified process and at the same time, a full robust process, was well done. I know from a short conversation in the major vendor booth clear back in probably 2015 NAB that the then-manager felt that if an NLE had any user CM settings, it might lead to mass confusion.

       

      Well, that hasn't necessarily changed. You bring up Resolve ... and I've had my share of helping, or in some cases trying to help users who had really gone into the weeds changing settings, and were so mucked up it was difficult to get them to let go and let Resolve. It's going to happen.

       

      But tough beans, right? We do need to have the more robust controls and then help the confused. I know from very direct comments in the Adobe booth they are aware of the double problem ... too confusing for some, yet not enough needed options for others. So ... we're going to get more, but what ... and when?

       

      You are most correct that a current issue is mixed media sources. And I hope that we can get something like what you're asking for to deal with that soonest.

      Everyone's mileage always varies ...
      C
      Adobe Employee
      Chetan Nanda
      Adobe Employee
      April 15, 2025

      Hi @Shebbe ,

      Premiere not allowing to modify Tonemapping method for multiple sequence clips together is a known limitation, and it is in our roadmap to fix it. 

      But, If you work with wide gamut timeline (using one of the wide gamut processing preset), then input tonemapping (sequence clip setting) is nop for most of the cases and user can select output tonemapping and output gamut compression method which is a sequence wide operation.

       

      Thanks,

      Chetan Nanda

      R Neil Haugen
      R Neil Haugen
      Legend
      April 15, 2025

      Chetan, you probably understood what you said. I'm pretty sure Shebbe and can figure it out, even with a typo or two.

       

      But most of the users here probably can't. So could you provide a bit more context and detail, please?

      Everyone's mileage always varies ...
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