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NemoRoman
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January 21, 2025
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Clip Markers Used to Mark All From Same Master and Master

  • January 21, 2025
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Prior to several updates ago, if I put a marker on a subclip, it also put that marker on the same frame on the master—as well as in associated multicam sequences. On the first 2025 update this came back, then when I updated to 25.1 it dropped off again. 

In case it's helpful, or if someone has an alternative workflow, here's why this is costing me time...

 

If Premiere can make subclips out of multicam sequences I'm not aware of it (I'd love to find out if this can be done). I'm left to synch interview audio and cameras via "create multicam..." and then merge the master audio with camera A by dragging from the multicam sequence into a bin and make subclips from that merged clip. 

After assembling the narrative, I then copy-paste cameras B and C over each corrisponding clip made from those subclips.

 

I used to be able to simply make a marker at the beginning of a clip in the assemble sequence, that marker would then show up on camera A in the multicam sequence, I'd razor cut the alternative angles on that marker and copy them into my assemble sequence—quick and easy.

Without the marker showing up, I have to open the subclip (from the assemble sequence) in the preview window, copy the in-mark timecode, then open the master clip from the multicam sequence into the preview window, paste the timecode and set the in-mark so the  master clip in the mulitcam sequence reveals where to razor cut the alternative angles. 

I've been on the phone with Premiere support, but typically they're far from experts—it's usually a waste of time to call them. 

I've looked everywhere marker settings seem to be and nothing worked. Does anyone know how I might toggle the markers to be universal? 

    Correct answer mattchristensen

    @NemoRoman Thanks for sticking with me – you gave one extra clue there that is the answer (working across projects). Premiere Pro can, optionally, write markers into the XMP metadata with the clip on disk. In this way you can have the behavior your describe, where a marker added to a subclip also shows up on the original clip, and across projects. But it's happening because the marker gets added to the media file, outside of the project data, and then all clips referencing that media read it out again. So, you used to have that preference on, and now it's off. You can find it in Preferences > Media > Write clip markers to XMP.

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    mattchristensen
    mattchristensen
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    January 22, 2025

    The core behavior described here – putting a marker on a subclip and having the marker show up also in the original clip, I don't think ever worked. Subclips in Premiere Pro don't maintain a relationship to the original clip (like they do in other NLEs). They are their own new clip, and so the marker sets are not synced. Any markers on the original clip at the time of subclipping do travel to the subclip, but then that's the end of the marker relationship. I'm not aware of any changes to this any time recently.

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    NemoRomanAuthor
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    January 22, 2025

    You lost me at "I don't think ever worked." Clearly it did—otherwise you wouldn't be reading my post.

     

    The markers also showed up across projects—i.e. if I put a marker on a video file in one project and opened it up in another, that marker showed up in the same place. 


    Again, why would I take the time to post about something I used to be able to do and now cannot? Maybe it was all a dream...as is life;) 

    mattchristensen
    mattchristensenCorrect answer
    Legend
    January 22, 2025

    @NemoRoman Thanks for sticking with me – you gave one extra clue there that is the answer (working across projects). Premiere Pro can, optionally, write markers into the XMP metadata with the clip on disk. In this way you can have the behavior your describe, where a marker added to a subclip also shows up on the original clip, and across projects. But it's happening because the marker gets added to the media file, outside of the project data, and then all clips referencing that media read it out again. So, you used to have that preference on, and now it's off. You can find it in Preferences > Media > Write clip markers to XMP.

      R Neil Haugen
      R Neil Haugen
      Legend
      January 21, 2025

      it seems you're not using the master audio in the multicam itself? Or did I miss something in your steps?

       

      I can't figure out the need to add audio later.

      Everyone's mileage always varies ...
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        NemoRomanAuthor
        Known Participant
        January 21, 2025

        Neil, I'm so glad to see you found this, you're always super helpful! 

        I apologize for any confusion—I'm adding the video from the alternative camera angles (interviews shot with 2-3 cameras) into the actual edit/assembly sequence. Merging the audio  from the multicam was just to make the master from camera A to chop into subclips.

        The remaining steps I described were how I bring the alternative angles into the actual edit since there doesn't seem to be an option to subclip multicam footage. 

        If that doesn't make sense, I'm happy to explain further. 

        Thanks again for your time!

        R Neil Haugen
        R Neil Haugen
        Legend
        January 21, 2025

        Ok, my confusion comes from the basic multicam process ... where you choose what's your master audio in the setup of the multicam. Such as if you don't list one, but have a separate audio, Premiere assumes the separate audio is the 'main' audio used to create the multicam.

         

        So ... you don't have separate audio, and are using the audio from camera A for all? Is that correct?

        Everyone's mileage always varies ...
        Ann Bens
        Community Expert
        Ann BensCommunity Expert
        Community Expert
        January 21, 2025

        @mattchristensen 

         

        Feature intentional dropped?

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