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July 26, 2020
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Computer cannot process Premiere

  • July 26, 2020
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AMD Ryzen 7 3800X processor

GeForce GTX 1660 Super

64GB RAM

Windows

 

I changed the Speed/Duration of a 3-second clip to 120%. Playback chops up like a slaughterhouse. I don't know what I'm doing wrong. I have a similar issue with some of the special effects which state "Your graphics card is unable to process this effect" yet my card is listed under supported cards.

 

Someone throw me a bone.

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Correct answer salvo34

unfortunately h264 is not really a great codec for editing in ANY editor. Luckily hardware has gotten really fast so it can be done, but sometimes causes progam to choke.

Try to proxy your stuff to cineform or DNxHD or prores 'before' you do the speed change. Like, start from the beginning with the proxy on.

Might be a lot better.

ON card issue, sometimes using software only will do the trick but take longer ( it uses cpu only and don't think it uses any graphic chip stuff ).

 

Don't be mad at us imperfect users if we don't express ourselves like people who studied rhetoric at university. I recently realized I need to rein in my subjective attitude and be more objective, due to insulting some poster here. 

Anyway, good luck and it shouldn't take long to try those things. You might have to delete your cache before you start from the beginning, cause you're right.... there is some sloppy programming going on with all the new additions and so on. 

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Inspiring
July 30, 2020

Focal,

I grew up working in film biz as a grip on movies, tv commercials, episodic TV shows shot in film (is a film union in NYC). So, no video.. that's different union and equipment and everything. I'm 70. There was a great pushback against digital but film lost and everyone went bust on film ( Polaroid, Kodak, etc.) and all the film cameras with mitchel movements are now used to moor sailboats. It's frustrating to have to learn new stuff and make it work the way you used to do stuff. Bleach baths for color are now done digitally, and film grain is now 'noise'. And things keep changing rapidly. I don't get, for example, how anyone can develop a variable frame rate. What the ??

The red raw needs to be made linear and debayered before editing. It is proxied ususally. The arri can shoot log c or prores out the camera. I now know of one popular tv show using arri that just goes right to prores out of camera, and they got rid of the DIT station and just use video playback now ( with scopes ) and basically 'what they see ' at playback is 'what gets broadcast'. But those are pro sets where lights are balanced to specific color temp and they have tons of ways to control the shot ( like translites (backdrops) behind walls of windows that make it look like an outdoor scene out there, but in reality is fake. Some are now using giant screens that are like a wall of video, instead of translites. Takes up less room on set. Can have motion cause plate shots are done to play on that screen.

Most people use raw (as prosumers ) thinking they can just change anything they want later ( ISO, WB, F STOP, ETC.) and it will look great. If the white got blown out no big deal. Black got closed, no big deal. That's not how raw is shot on film stages. It's matched just like you would for film, and light meters are used and color meters, etc. Two different mentalities.  And the work flow is what it has to be when it goes to post house..which is like a factory. So it's done fast and a one hour episodic show can get broadcast a couple weeks after it was 'in the can'.

Nobody, and I mean nobody, in my experience, used PC's or PPro on sets. I have no clue what people use in post house.

We are very lucky though. I can stop buying expensive film and having work prints made and have to edit on a flatbed. So it's cheaper, less toxic (no more chemicals), faster, and I can edit in my house with a computer and monitors that cost maybe about $8,000. I got my video monitor used from a DP friend who had to upgrade to 4k (mine is full HD ), so saved a few thousand on that.

Unfortunately I am not good at shooting and using fluid head and I haven't made quality stuff to edit. But I use pretty cheap nikon d800 with bunch of lenses, and a bmpcc 4k. The nikon I record to ninja and get DNxHD out of it instead of the stupid h264 4.2.0 stuff the camera puts on SD card. The blackmagic camera is BRAW.

You just have to do what you have to do, is what it all boils down to.

 

How fast new stuff comes out and how fast Adobe upgrades to handle new codecs is a company problem and not mine thank goodness.

 

Lastly, it's not foolish to be frustrated when things are not working as desired. It's normal.

 

The people who help in this forum often need to repeat themselves a LOT to help those with similar problems who didn't search for answers first.  So now you get two frustrated people. The poster and the fellow user answering post. Yikes.

Good luck. 

If you want to proxy h264 the most common is prores and cineform around here.

DNxHD has also changed a little and same with prores ... in terms of having newer versions for the newer cameras. But once you get it down ( know what works well for your use and equipment ) you'll be happy as a clam.

 

Inspiring
July 30, 2020

DNxHD has also changed a little and same with prores ... in terms of having newer versions for the newer cameras

 

what I mean is DNxHR and prores raw. I have no clue what prores raw is and don't want to know.

The DNxHR is new in that it is no longer pinned to a specific resolution and bitrate, color space ...like, for example, DNxHD 220x ( which I use ) is for full HD 10 bit 4.2.2. You'll probably use the new thing.

 

 

FocalAuthor
Participating Frequently
July 30, 2020

Thanks, Salvo. 

Inspiring
July 28, 2020

I got a nikon d800 a while back and it records to SD ( and maybe cf if I want) as mov h264, 4.2,0. It doesn't have a great editing potential or quality potential. It's basically a still camera that added video feature. But it's full frame 35, and I shoot stills sometimes. Anyway, I bought a fairly inexpensive Ninja thing so I could record out of the camera hdmi ( uncompressed signal ) to the Ninja, using DNxHD in a 10 bit space, 4.2.2. ( and higher bit rate ). Better quality, in terms of the space it is now in... but it doesn't add more than 4.2.0, as that is what the chip puts out , and now I don't have to proxy... when I xfer the SSD stuff to internal drives, it's already happy to be edited. 

But I also have a bmpcc 4k with Braw that I use, and that needs to be proxied sometimes even in Resolve.

 

That doesn't help you, but you can see how I try to sorta skip the h264 stuff... right ??

 

 

Inspiring
July 28, 2020

It's kinda confusing but when I say 'proxy' in your case I don't mean you have to change the camera and captured video, etc. I mean that you let the program proxy it ( it's similar to transcoding ). It will take time for that to happen so be patient. The stuff gets put into cache and is happy to be edited.

If not you're basically screwed.

hehe... then you have to find out more stuff and fix it.

 

Let's have a beer and talk about it.

 

That's hilarious, cause the king of this forum is really trying to become the king.

Along with others who want to sell their products here.

 

FocalAuthor
Participating Frequently
July 30, 2020

Encoding H.264 into DNxHD definitely made a difference. This is what make it so frustrating for me. Now I need to copy and transcode all of my footage to a different format just so Premiere can play it back properly. That, to me, is not my job. It is Adobe's job to ensure their program works on demand - it shouldn't be up to me to copy all of my footage over to a different filetype. It should just work. If I were a software engineer I would be happy to take on that task - it's what I would have trained for. However, I am not a software engineer - I am trying to do very simple editing with a program that is touted as "what the pros use". Do the pros go out with their $50k camera set-up recorded at max resolution then come back and reformat all the footage to DNxHD so Premiere can process it more quickly? I'm using footage that was taken on RED and ARRI cameras.

 

My experience since the late 2000's has been how everything around me has become lower quality. Materials have become better but the products built with the better materials are getting worse and worse. Computers have become so powerful if I were told "Your computer in 2020 will have 12GB of dedicated memory" I would have laughed. Yet, the same cannot be said for production - nobody knows what to do with all that power.

 

I'm really disappointed & close to selling my computer and giving up. I can't believe I spent $2500 on something that can't run a program out-of-the-box. There is a possibility running my data off an HDD is what causes the latency - I'll be looking into that before I decide to get rid of my computer. With a filesize of 56MB I'm not sure why my 64GB of RAM and my 6GB of memory dedicated, specifically, to graphics is unable to process 120% reverse playback. Someone get an Adobe developer in here to chime in on the conversation.

salvo34Correct answer
Inspiring
July 28, 2020

unfortunately h264 is not really a great codec for editing in ANY editor. Luckily hardware has gotten really fast so it can be done, but sometimes causes progam to choke.

Try to proxy your stuff to cineform or DNxHD or prores 'before' you do the speed change. Like, start from the beginning with the proxy on.

Might be a lot better.

ON card issue, sometimes using software only will do the trick but take longer ( it uses cpu only and don't think it uses any graphic chip stuff ).

 

Don't be mad at us imperfect users if we don't express ourselves like people who studied rhetoric at university. I recently realized I need to rein in my subjective attitude and be more objective, due to insulting some poster here. 

Anyway, good luck and it shouldn't take long to try those things. You might have to delete your cache before you start from the beginning, cause you're right.... there is some sloppy programming going on with all the new additions and so on. 

FocalAuthor
Participating Frequently
July 30, 2020

Thanks, I'll give DNxHD a try.

 

I love that you bring up subjectivity & objectivity - it has been, in my experience, fundamental when solving problems.

Legend
July 26, 2020

what are your source properties and what your sequence settings.

have you tried rendering it?  Also you might try setting the frame interpolation in the clip speed/duration dialog to optical flow.  will be a longer render but usually gives you much better results.

FocalAuthor
Participating Frequently
July 26, 2020

How do I find 'source properties'? I'm using H.264 files pulling from a local HDD.

 

How do I locate 'sequence settings'? 

 

I should not need to render this file before being able to view it. I'm not working with megalithic data proportions - they are fraction clips with minimal to no effects.

 

Optical Flow looks 3% better.

 

I really appreciate the quick response.

Legend
July 27, 2020

This is very basic stuff...  select a source clip in the bin or in the timeline and control click or right click and choose "properties."  Make the timeline active, or select the sequence in the been and control click or right click and choose sequence settings.    If you've got a red line at the top of the timeline... you've may get adequate playback but more than likely.... you've got to render.    Don't take this the wrong way, but Premiere is a professional video editing program and in order to use it effectively you'll need to learn a whole lot of stuff...   I'm a great believer in diving in at the deep end of the pool, but when things don't work the way you expect them to, it's not always the programs fault.  The Adobe Premiere forum is an amazing resource and there are many people here willing to help.   So give us the info I've asked for and hopefully we can figure out what's going on