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Creating a Mogrt with an automated blur adjustment layer?

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June 26, 2020
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I'm designing a broadcast package, and it requires animating a blur over the background underneath the title animation.
In After Effects, everything looks great, but as soon as I export the Mogrt to Premiere, only the title animation works.
The adjustment layer to blur the background is apparently not recognised.
My suspicion is that the Essential Graphics Mogrt is rendered as an autonomous clip, therefore ignoring any adjustment layers that would apply to footage outside of the Mogrt.

Since this Mogrt is to be distributed to and used by several different production companies, having them animate the blur in Premiere themselves is NOT an option, as this would result in random and different end results, depending on how they feel fit to apply the blur.

Is there a way to automate this process, preferably linked to the timing of the Mogrt?

Effects and Titles

Correct answer DaciaSaenz

Its true... an adjustment layer INSIDE a Mogrt will not work on a video track OUTSIDE the Mogrt in PR. Tiny Inception AE nested within Premiere to render Mogrts can't "see" what's outside the Mogrt.

The ability to feed the Mogrt custom media so that Adjustment Layers and Effects from within the Mogrt will apply to the footage is currently the most requested feature. I can't really say more than that 😉 but to say that we're LISTENING. I will have more news for you in the coming months that will bring joy to Mogrtlandia.

For now, you have to pack the footage in the Mogrt itself... which is not ideal. But you could hook up a couple of media options to a Dropdown Expression Control and give your editor a couple of options to choose from.

Cheers,

Dacia

hellopaul4

Inspiring

I konw it's over 5 years later, and we have replaceable footage/etc. inside mogrts, but it would STILL be incredibly useful to be able to use adjustment layers in mogrts. I'm sure I'm not alone in wanting this - just think of all those overlaid text/graphics with the footage behind being blurred/desaturated or something. I know I can achieve this by dropping the footage into a placeholder layer that has those effects, but if I then change the edit, I need to retime the footage I've dropped into the mogrt.

I wouldn't have thought it's too much of a coding stretch to give morgts the ability, if there's an adjustment layer, to 'auto-fill' the Media Replacement with whatever's in the PPro timeline below the mogrt track, and then obey whatever effects have been added to the mogrt's adjustment layer(s). Presumably, currenlty a mogrt (with Media Replacement) works by sending the clip in the mogrt's Media Replacement "pot" to AE, the whole mogrt is processed, then sent back to PPro? All that would be required in "my new improved" scenario, would be for PPro to look at the in and out points of the mogrt, render out whatever is on the timeline below the mogrt, send that to AE, and add it as the bottom layer in the mogrt comp, ready to be effected by any adjustment layer(s) above it.

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defaultud2he9evdbfa

Participant

Yes, for instance, I need to create lower thirds with transparency, blur and to achive that it is a mess of layers, effects or nested secuences. I would apricieate to be able to do it with one single clip of mogrt.

doublebawlashukla

Participant

Well i tried to do the same for a project and i found a workaround solution for the time bieng. I basically created an "Add media" section within the MOGRT to be able to add the media in premiere pro so that the adjustment layer effects such as "fast box blur" or any other effect in question can easily recognise the underneath footage and the effects would be applied.

although this is just a workaround till the adobe listens to us and adds this feature in mogrts.

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simon0815

Inspiring

nice workaround. But I think not usefull for lowerthirds. Or is it possible to adjust the time, when the lower third would apear? In and out? (I have to try it, but I'm not optimistic.) And not handy when a VJ journalist has to do it 😉

DaciaSaenz

Community Manager

Exciting news update!!
Its now possible to add videos to the Mogrt from within PR so that any of your effects and blend modes will be applied to the video you feed the Mogrt.

This feature is now in public beta in AE and Premiere Pro.

Here’s more info: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Akp8aXF-iwM&feature=youtu.be

Let us know what you think!

- Dacia Saenz, AE & PR Engineering Teams

R Neil Haugen

Legend

Well, Dacia, that's pretty awesome ... and much needed!

Now if we had a set of selectable shapes ... sigh. 😉

Neil

Everyone's mileage always varies ...

DaciaSaenz

Correct answer

Community Manager

Its true... an adjustment layer INSIDE a Mogrt will not work on a video track OUTSIDE the Mogrt in PR. Tiny Inception AE nested within Premiere to render Mogrts can't "see" what's outside the Mogrt.

The ability to feed the Mogrt custom media so that Adjustment Layers and Effects from within the Mogrt will apply to the footage is currently the most requested feature. I can't really say more than that 😉 but to say that we're LISTENING. I will have more news for you in the coming months that will bring joy to Mogrtlandia.

For now, you have to pack the footage in the Mogrt itself... which is not ideal. But you could hook up a couple of media options to a Dropdown Expression Control and give your editor a couple of options to choose from.

Cheers,

Dacia

- Dacia Saenz, AE & PR Engineering Teams

R Neil Haugen

Legend

Thanks for popping in, Dacia!

For those who don't know, she's one of the most knowledgeable staffers on mogrts in Adobe-land. And capable of thinking outside anyone's box with ease ...

Neil

Everyone's mileage always varies ...

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ah_photo

Legend

Ha! I just asked this question myself last week on the AE forums, as I'm doing something similar as you. While I didn't test it as a MOGRT yet, I tested it as a Dynamic Link and that didn't work (and I'd assume that DL would be the most 1:1 option available)

I interpreted that answer as, no it can't be done, unfortunately. It doesn't seem like adjustment layer effects can passthrough (a la collapse transformation).

Would be a great feature for an upcoming AE/PR release. In the meantime I think my plan is to just save either a PR Graphic Template (if Adjustment Layers can be saved into a PR MOGRT) that I apply as a third layer (so from top to bottom: AE MOGRT, PR MOGRT (Adjustment), VIDEO). Or just save as an Effects Preset in Premiere and apply to the Video. Still haven't decide what I'll do yet, but there are some options at least, despite them being not as intuitive.

R Neil Haugen

Legend

Fascinating question, I've never thought of trying to add an AL to a mogrt in Ae. I'm asking around about how to accomplish this, as it would be great to learn how to do this myself.

Neil

Everyone's mileage always varies ...

VFXbearAuthor

Inspiring

I've tried several tests, and each time the Adjustement Layer is ignored in the Mogrt.
It definitely would be a great addition to have Premiere recognise these, as it would also allow for the correct interaction of i.e automated color adjustments, animated masks, etc.
I'll upload a quick test Mogrt and its original AE file here in a minute, so people can try it out for themselves.

VFXbearAuthor

Inspiring

Here's a ZIP with the test AE file and resulting Mogrt.
It's just a simple Fast Box blur animated off over time (02:00 to 03:00).
Test File

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