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CS5 can not output MPE to external DV device

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May 18, 2010
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This is quite a surprise for those of us who rely on DV output.

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Harm Millaard:

"An MPE card stops external monitor viewing."

"The problem is that CUDA does not currently support output
on DV devices, only full screen second displays (DVI, DisplayPort, etc)."

"...one serious limitation, those who use dual monitors for editing and

a third monitor for full screen display and color grading or that use the

fire wire connection to record DV/HDV back to tape.

Some may think tape is dead, but there are numerous people around

that still like to jeep their final cut on a master tape."

"The basic problem is how to get a DV signal back over firewire for

exporting to tape or display on an external monitor and that currently is a CUDA problem."

"It must be resolved. If not, the introduction of CS5 / MPE as a game changer

can quickly turn into a game stopper.
I think (purely personal opinion) Adobe and nVidia must correct this ASAP

Otherwise you end up with a SNAFU."

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Correct answer Jeff Bellune

I am curious to know if any "Community Professional" or
"Employee" contributors to this forum have any thoughts or input
regarding this very disappointing deficiency before this thread slips
into the oblivion of page two and beyond.

What do you want us to say as CPs?

It's broken, and we, like you, hope it gets fixed soon.

For now, set your projects to software rendering when you need external DV output. MPE in software mode isn't exactly small potatoes. It's significantly faster than CS4.

-Jeff

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VideoGrinch

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This ever get resolved?

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joe_bloe_premiereAuthor

Inspiring

Nope.

Firewire output of Hardware MPE - I give up

http://forums.adobe.com/thread/840033?tstart=0

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J Graves

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Well..... I just installed the full upgrade to CS5 Production Premium and can verify that the DV output does not appear to be working. I will post on the new thread since this reallyl doesn't have anything to do with the MPE. Yes, I followed all the steps outlined above.

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johngrahameaton

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I'm still finding my way around forums. Please can J Greaves point me to his new forum?

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J Graves

Inspiring

Sure thing:

http://forums.adobe.com/message/3051410#3051410

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J Graves

Inspiring

The first post about this CS5 bug was in May. It is now Augusut and still no fix?

Every time I'm about to place my order for CS5, I find out about another "gotcha' problem. I'm still on CS3 and am seriously wondering whether I should continue to move forward with Premiere.

I still use an older "DPS Velocity Quattrus" system and it still leaves Premiere in the dust. Unfortunately Harris, who bought Leitch/who bought DPS, has discontinued the product. A software developer from Itlay is attempting to breathe life into it (ivsEdits.com), but it isn't a fully operational system.

Yes, "Firrewire" output is still a Big Deal. There are many of us who use our editing systems as a business tool. Going back and disabling the Mercury Engine, then re-rendering as "software only" is a waste of my time.

Come On, Adobe & Nvidia, get this fixed!

RDA972

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For DV(CAM) work I have found out you don't need the MPE on my i7 980X machine.

It provides real time editing even with multiple tracks and effects.

Correct me if I am wrong but the MPE is optimized for HD work.

In other words, you are safe to upgrade to CS5 from CS3.

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carny_

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I've managed to set up an acceptable system (for my needs anyway) using the MPE.

Using two quadro fx3800 graphics cards, although I'm not sure whether you need the secondary card to be the same as your primary CUDA one. This should work with any decent secondary graphics card on a suitable workstation (I think!).

My primary FX3800 card outputs to one monitor for the program and one preview out (via a dvi/vga to s-video converter box) to my CRT broadcast monitor.

Then my secondary card outputs my second monitor display for my dual screen setup. essentially its a three screen setup as my crt is always displaying part of my desktop until Premiere previews through it. This is actually more useful for me as it gets more use than previously through firewire, As I can make use of it when not using Premiere or AE.

Then If I need to export to tape I'll have to switch to software renderer but hopefully that will change in the future.

Initially I tried to preview out to my CRT through my secondary FX3800 but I was dropping frames (on the preview monitor not the program monitor) so I assume that MPE is only working on the primary card as theres no sli support for this card on my system.

So for me this is a stellar improvement over CS4 so I can't complain too much, still hoping Adobe/Nvidia will fix the firewire out soon though!

Tim Kolb

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In CS3, I found that moving the program panel to another display and making it large

as the "program video" was not workable.

At this point, with CS5, I've tried it and it works. I can have my UI program panel on my 30" display AND use my AJA Kona card, wheras with the external device setting, it was obviously one or the other.

For the DV people, my suggestion is try simply dragging the program panel out to a display and see if that works for you...

That way your external device drives the whatever it is on the end of your FW cable, and you free up the UI space the program monitor panel was taking up on top of it.

It seems to work for me (though I don't have a DV device to test it with...)

I'll probably be altering most of my 4 display workspaces to this method and trying it for a while...

Harm_Millaard

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Joe,

Before this creates a stampede / panic, this only applies to hardware enabled MPE. If you use CUDA/MPE, the workaround is to switch to software MPE and then everything works as expected. However, switching from hardware to software MPE also means that the timeline may need to be rendered again.

Adobe is aware of the problem and working on it, but they may be dependent on nVidia to solve the driver issues.

We'll just have to wait and see.

My experiences with this bug:

1. Start with hardware MPE, no audio or video on external monitor
2. Change to software MPE, display and audio on external monitor
3. Display on PM.
4. Change back to hardware MPE, frozen display on external monitor and no sound. Plays OK in PM. When playback is stopped, the external view is updated.
5. Switch to another application and return to PR, the external view turns to black on playback.

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joe_bloe_premiereAuthor

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In PPro2 external monitoring wasn't perfect (sync)... but it worked.

In CS4 external monitoring capability took a step backward,
making you choose either desktop or external to the exclusion
of the other... but it worked.

Now CS5 has added the powerful MPE, which has excluded
external DV monitoring entirely... it simply doesn't work.

Of course, every bug has a workaround.
Sure, if I disable the hallmark feature of the software
I can make it play to an external monitor.

I am not panicked, or stampeding... only VERY disappointed.

This bug is forcing me to dump CS5 from my brand new box,
install CS4, and wait for an update/bug fix.

Any NLE with no capability to output to tape is indeed a bug!

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joe_bloe_premiereAuthor

Inspiring

I am curious to know if any "Community Professional" or
"Employee" contributors to this forum have any thoughts or input
regarding this very disappointing deficiency before this thread slips
into the oblivion of page two and beyond.

Firewire output of Hardware MPE - I give up

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