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"Date created" info is wrong in Premiere

Forum|Forum|7 years ago
December 9, 2018
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I'm editing a wedding shot on four cameras, operated by 2 videographers, myself and an additional videographer. When I go over the footage in Explorer, the time of my shots is correct. However, Premiere reads the files as if they were shot 57 minutes later. I think it has to do with the fact that all of my cameras were set to winter clock although it was shot at the summer.

I wouldn't be facing any problem having shot the wedding solely, since all of my cameras have this issue but now i'm facing mixed footage from different parts of the wedding with the second videographer.

I'm looking for an option to either change the Date Created info on all of my files, or a sequence that use the date and time created to compile a timeline with all of the files, and the physical gaps that were between every shot.

Have anyone encountered such a problem?

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rodneyb56060189

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Thanks Jim, I can't even imagine shooting a wedding ( or any live event for that matter ) as everything I've done was scripted and so on. It must be extremely pressing ( time wise and prep wise to get the angles and cameras set up etc. )

I still don't see how metadata would help more than renaming files as needed to denote the camera sources ( a,b,c etc.).

But it's not something I've had experience with. Someone asked me to do it once a long time ago (he got the job and wanted to farm it out to me cause he had a schedule conflict ) and it scared me to death and I told the guy I didn't feel confident that I'd do a good job. So I never had the experience.

I imagine you could work in slo mo and inserts and stuff AFTER starting out with sync'd shots ( J and L cutaways ? ) and keep the sound going, but it just seems like a tremendous amount of creative thinking and editing. If I think about sharing that with a client ( edit with input from client from source material review ) it gets even more problematic for me to imagine the ton of work involved to give people stuff they love.

You have my respect and admiration just for having the guts and stamina to do that work !

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excited_Genie16B8

Legend

One example would be the dancing. My preference would be to edit in the dances in the same sequence as real life. That means you have to know the proper sequences the dances occurred in. As no wedding filmmaker writes that down, we rely on camera metadata for that kind of sorting.

My own cameras record time of day timecode, so sorting by that puts everything in the proper sequence.

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rodneyb56060189

Legend

After hours of online research, I found the answer !

1) set all camera dates and times the exact same including whether it is daylight savings time or NOT.

This requires a wrist watch.

FIXED ! how cool is that ? !!!!

: )

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rodneyb56060189

Legend

(aside continued)

Stan, I'm already locked up with ice and snow until MARCH at the earliest.

: (

here's an interesting project someone made using nice home computer to edit himself after shooting stuff. It's meant to garner interest in funding an episodic TV type show. Some of the elements can be used in a 'wedding' type story, in my opinion (music, sunsets, pretty shots intermixed with basic 'plot' ( story )) . I'm sorry for mentioning this stuff, as I understand the main thing is to get an adjustment to TIME metadata corrected in this thread.

PASSAGE (trailer #1) on Vimeo

Notice the compositions and times of day ( lighting, etc.), which helps make it pretty.

MyerPj

Community Expert

I don't know if PP re-reads the file info (dates/etc) each time the project loads or if that is set just at the beginning / import. So, you might want to try with a new project to import the file's you changed.

MaorKAuthor

Participating Frequently

I thought of that too, been re-importing the whole time.

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rodneyb56060189

Legend

I was just trying to focus on product and not so much on the organization stuff re: when something was shot from camera meta stuff. Sorry.

MyerPj

Community Expert

Yes, as per Stan's comment, there are many date fields available in a file. Some of those file date changing utilities can access many/most/all of those dates. As Stan mentioned it could be any one of those dates so do some experimenting.

Here's the screen for Windows Explorer, if you right-click the heading bar, you can select to display various fields:

MaorKAuthor

Participating Frequently

I know, that's bizzare. None of those reads the time that is read on the Premiere.

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rodneyb56060189

Legend

didn't mean to be 'arrogant' or nothin. Sorry. So you basically can't shoot the stuff to edit it properly and you want adobe to do it for you ?

MaorKAuthor

Participating Frequently

Exactly. Cause trying to change metadata is just like expecting the NLE to edit the film itself. Seriously, don't you have like a Youtube channel to maintain, instead of wasting your time on us, technocrats?

Stan Jones

Community Expert

Curious (doesn't really matter, since I can't see any way): What field are you reading in PR? (Basic -> Creation Date?) And in Windows Explorer, "Date" or "Media Creation"?

I have played with ExifTool, which gives more options than some of the basic retimers. BulkFileChanger looked promising (it can add or subtract the 57 minutes), but it is does not expose the correct "date" field.

MaorKAuthor

Participating Frequently

The PR reads Creation Date. I've also tried to add more Date-based columns to find the actual date but none of them gave me the correct date that I see on the explorer, which is by the way under "Date" column. When I add "creation date" column to the explorer it shows me date the files were copied to the hard drive so also no match here.

what do you mean by EXIFTOOL? This software - https://www.relliksoftware.com/exifdatechanger/ ? Tried it and couldn't make it work. BulkFileChanger seemed like the solution, but the changes made in it didn't change anything on the PR dates.

Stan Jones

Community Expert

ExifTool - Wikipedia

I have barely scratched the surface.

Sorry; went to dinner and forgot to hit "reply." Trying to do a little investigation, but this is complex!

[Aside: Literally "oozed" down my driveway - above freezing, but 6 inches of wet snow and a steep mountain driveway. Briefly terrifying. Got back up without any big problem thanks to my bucket of sand! Ready to be frozen in till midday tomorrow...]

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excited_Genie16B8

Legend

Do the cameras record timecode at all?

MaorKAuthor

Participating Frequently

Both of us shot with a7s and a7III. There is an option for timecode per say, but I didn't use it. The shots do contain metadata about the time of the shot was taken.

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excited_Genie16B8

Legend

The shots do contain metadata about the time of the shot was taken.

I think that's the better option here.

MyerPj

Community Expert

It sounds like an easy issue to work with, I would guess takes a few minutes to sync long shots together.

However, there are umpteen file date changers on the web, most free to use, here's a google search for you:

https://www.google.com/search?q=file+date+changer

MaorKAuthor

Participating Frequently

Been trying several programs from that search, couldn't manage to make any change that was accepted by the Premiere

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rodneyb56060189

Legend

I think you might be getting distracted by something that has minor organizational benefit.

A wedding, if it is a story, doesn't have to be shot sequentially in real time to be effective. I think it might be more nice to tell the 'story' of the wedding ( event ) the way YOU would like to tell it ( so everyone is happy and loving it ).

That means scrubbing through the material, making changes to bins and subclips and whatever you have to do to keep the 'story' elements in your head organized. Like a puzzle. You put the pieces together no matter when stuff was shot.

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