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Terry Kelley
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February 22, 2019
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Export native RED files with NO conversion?

  • February 22, 2019
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I'm cutting a show in native 4K RED, no proxies, no transcoded files, just right out of the camera.  I want to export my sequence in the exact same format.  We're going to color grade in SCRATCH and want to use the native camera files.  Every other NLE I've worked with allows you to export files without conversion.  There must be SOME way to do that in Premiere Pro?  So far I'm unable to find any answer to this question.

Terry Kelley, ACE

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    Correct answer Qengineering

    I don’t suppose you can export a RED file instead of an XML?

    Terry

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    Premiere Pro can not export a RED format file in any manner.

    An XML from PrP would essentially contain EDL information only, no video data.

    Most people would export the XML file (or Premiere project file) and then use Project Manager (within PrP) to gather and consolidate raw camera files (including RED format files) onto a new drive.

    If your RED files have a LUT embedded, that LUT would stay with the RED file when being gathered and transferred to the drive.

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    rodneyb56060189
    Legend
    February 25, 2019

    Good luck, Terry.

    bye

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    rodneyb56060189
    Legend
    February 24, 2019

    everyone here will be happy to see that the editor's union is promoting adobe. Here is a link to a program (tutorials) that may help you, Terry.  It is from the editors union site..

    Editors Guild - IATSE Local 700 > Main Menu > Education > Online Training

    Earlier I posted a link to an article that at one point recommends trying REDCINE X to export RED without conversion.  It's a free program, and you can no doubt put one 4k clip in it, cut it (trim) to some size that will allow you to edit it later on ( lots of spare room at head and tail )..export it. Look at it. Send it to someone to color. GET IT BACK. Finish your edit, and then export as per normal routes as explained earlier ( edl, xml, etc. ) ???  Lots of ways to do what you want, but exporting R3D from adobe and any other NLE is not happening, except REDCINE X, as far as I know.

    Good luck !

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    rodneyb56060189
    Legend
    February 24, 2019

    here's more info that you might find helpful, Terry.

    http://docs.red.com.s3.amazonaws.com/955-0004_v42/REV-A/HTML/955-0004_V42%20Rev-A%20%20%20RED%20PS,%20REDCINE-X%20PRO%20Operation%20Guide/Content/7_SampleWorkflows/XML.htm

    REDCINE-X PRO® is a free application from RED® that allows you to view R3D® files natively on your Mac® or Windows® system. REDCINE-X PRO is a professional-grade software application, designed specifically for transcoding and pre-editorial image manipulation of REDCODE® RAW R3D footage.
    REDCINE-X PRO Overview – RED Digital Cinema
    https://support.red.com/hc/en-us/articles/217961418-REDCINE-X-PRO-Overview

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    Terry KelleyAuthor
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    February 24, 2019

    I don’t suppose you can export a RED file instead of an XML?

    Terry

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    rodneyb56060189
    Legend
    February 22, 2019

    I meant SCRATCH

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    rodneyb56060189
    Legend
    February 22, 2019

    Being a typical skeptical New Yorker, by birth, etc. I suspect the reason for this post was to promote ( get into the ether of internet land ) the program SCATCH, which is pretty impressive ( if you google it ). I doubt you'll hear much back from Terry on this thread.

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    Terry KelleyAuthor
    Known Participant
    February 24, 2019

    Are New Yorkers typically cynical?

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    excited_Genie16B8
    Legend
    February 22, 2019

    I'm not aware of any editing software which can export camera-native RAW files.  The typical process is to export an XML or AAF for opening in other software.

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    rodneyb56060189
    Legend
    February 22, 2019

    interesting problem...

    In general, I think the above answers reflect the norm and the best (fastest) workflow. Do the edit, send to others ( color, sound, SFX, etc.)

    There is one interesting thing I discovered on internet...and the quote below is a portion of what is in the article the link below points to.

    ===The only feature I’ve found in REDCINE-X Pro and not in Resolve is the ability to export trimmed R3D files (without any transcoding or processing of the images), which can be useful in some VFX workflows.===

    https://blog.frame.io/2018/04/30/red-workflows/

    So basically, you'd be doing simple simple edit (get rid of slates and tails after 'cut' ) probably without transitions etc...then sending to color guys, they do their thing so you're in the ballpark for working on better edit...and THEN export as per above suggestions as XML etc.  Kinda like working in a non-conventional way, but might work for you ??  After all, if you want to edit it's kinda nice to have at least a basic idea what's up with the color you are matching between shots etc. ????

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    rodneyb56060189
    Legend
    February 22, 2019

    probably didn't make clear... color guys would have to send you BACK stuff so you can finish edit...then go the normal route after that.

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    R Neil Haugen
    Legend
    February 22, 2019

    I'm puzzled by your comment. I'm used to the concept of exporting a flattened sequence as a "check" video along with an XML and box of drives as needed for the colorist to conform in whichever grading app they're using.

    I've never heard of an app that could export say BM RAW files, Sony Log files, red files ...

    Neil

    Everyone's mileage always varies ...
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    Terry KelleyAuthor
    Known Participant
    February 22, 2019

    You’ve never heard of an NLE which can output files in the same format as that with which you’re editing?

    Terry

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    R Neil Haugen
    R Neil Haugen
    Legend
    February 22, 2019

    I'm also a contributing author for a colorist's teaching subscription site. They work probably 75% with Resolve but also do some with Avid and others.

    Conforming the XML and original media, checking all cuts, scaling, and time-ramps against the flattened file of the sequence is a constant part of the job ... it's how every job gets onto their machines.

    In several years of working with them, attending NAB and going through hours of process presentations, I've never seen any demo of an app exporting a RAW file for grading. It's normally a re-connect process with original media.

    Neil

    Everyone's mileage always varies ...
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