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December 1, 2017
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Help! Pro Res Export colour looks flat - gamma shift?

  • December 1, 2017
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This is really frustrating, I have to deliver a commercial today to a client and when exporting the quicktime pro res as either proxy, LT, 422 or 4444 the vibrant colours are flat compared to the timeline. This is a big issue as the colour needs to match exactly to their logo.

How can I fix this? I'm not looking for a post grading fix but to fix it directly on export from premiere.

I've looked around the forums and can't find an answer to this issue. I've seen people mention a gamma shift added on export of H.264 codec but does that also happen to pro res? I've never noticed this problem before and i've used premiere for years.

I'm using the latest imac with 4.2 GHz Intel Core i7, 64gb ram, Radeon Pro 580 8192 MB.  Latest premiere just updated a few minutes ago.

Can someone please help?

thanks in advance

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Kevin J. Monahan Jr.
Legend
December 1, 2017

Hi,

Is this a new project or updated project? Have you added LUTs to the app package in the past? Let us know.

Thanks,
Kevin

Kevin Monahan - Sr. Community and Engagement Strategist – Adobe Pro Video and Audio
R Neil Haugen
Legend
December 1, 2017

Where does the change show up, as in ... how played? Are you re-importing the file into PrPro and having the issue, or in some basic video player?

Neil

Everyone's mileage always varies ...
16150341Author
Participant
December 1, 2017

It seems that when I import it back in to premiere it looks correct. However Quicktime player makes the colours look flat.

They will move than likely view it in the QT player so is there a way around this?  I'm guessing now that this might not be a premiere issue.

* I opened the file in VLC and it seems to look closer to the way it should look. When uploaded to vimeo again the colour is a little off but much closer than QT player.  The final version will go through grading on a Baselight so I can resolve the issue there but wondering why this is happening, as i've never noticed it before.

R Neil Haugen
Legend
December 1, 2017

It's an issue of color-space, gamma, and levels issues. Exacerbated by Qt's players basic operating assumptions it seems.

First thing ... the Qt player is horrid in the way it treats many video files. It's "auto-enhancing for the viewer's enjoyment" rather than straight playing the file. On some PC systems with Nvidia GPU cards, you can go to the card's settings and set it like below ...

AND ... if that actually over-rides the Qt player's settings, the file should show properly. Note, what this did is set the GPU to over-ride the Qt player, and require Qt to honor the file as Full dynamic range, 0-255. Depending on the system, Qt may play files from PrPro in either of the two ancient (and in general no longer used!) DR's from tape days, 16-235 or 16-255. With an accompanying point or two drop in gamma. Ergo, shadows are mud not black, highlights gray not white, contrast lowered, saturation lowered.

Other issues that can be involved are base color space and monitor settings. PrPro is designed around the vastly dominant video standard of Bt.(Rec.) 709, which is totally sRGB and 0-255. If your moniter is ARGB, P3, something like that, PrPro will probably over-ride while it's active, but a file created in PrPro and displayed in sRGB, then viewed on a player on a system with say P3 color space for the monitor will not necessarily look the same. Ahem.

This is especially an issue on the Mac side of things, as many new Macs do use other color spaces.

As to uploading ... that ​depends​. Where I'm located, YouTube & Vimeo seem to quickly re-encode my uploads to the appropriate color settings. For many, there PrPro uploads are left on the initial upload setting, which mostly mimics the Qt look. For that, you can upload privately initially, go into your channel, select the recently uploaded video, select the "Retouch" option ... save immediately without even doing anything, and within a couple hours YouTube will normally re-encode the video so it displays correctly.

One final caveat ... you can't do anything about Gramma's green tv. Whatever you do, no matter how perfectly calibrated your system, as soon as it gets distributed via disc, web, or broadcast ... it will be viewed by people who do ​not​ have a properly calibrated system ... so if Gramma's tv is all green, your beautifully graded video will be ... green. Like everything else she sees.

And this ​definitely​ applies to clients!

Neil

Everyone's mileage always varies ...