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How to transcode Canon 5D mark II H.264 video into something editable?

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QT Pro v7.5 plays my 5Dm2 native video files just fine. Premiere CS4 however... unusable. I've heard that transcoding the H.264 40Mbps videos to another format allows a better editing experience.

Hardware:
Dell Precision 690, 1 quad-core 3GHz processor, 12GB RAM, 15000 rpm SAS system drive, 1TB SATA video disk (non-RAID), 1TB SATA temp disk (non-RAID), Quadro FX 3500 graphics card (non-CUDA unfortunately)

Question is... what is the most efficient format to transcode into?

A tutorial on Vimeo for Final Cut Pro on a mac mentions HDCAM EX as a format to use. (http://www.vimeo.com/2373679)
I don't see that option as shown on the Mac from my Vista box using either Adobe Media Encoder CS4 or MPEG Streamclip v1.2.

If I start a project in Premiere CS4 using the HDCAM EX 1080p presets, what is the corresponding Media Encoder format to choose for converting my clips before importing to Premiere?

I'm currently testing the following output format in AME:
MPEG2 Blu-Ray: 1920x1080,23.976 fps, Progressive, Quality 5, no audio, VBR 2-pass, bitrate setings of 25 min 35 target 40 max.

Has anyone determined a transcoding process that provides full HD quality while maintaining any ability to scrub and edit Canon 5D mark II video in Premiere CS4?
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    January 8, 2009
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    January 8, 2009
    Followed the OP suggestions and it works like a charm. No need to do any rendering of effects on my machine. Thanks!!!
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    January 8, 2009
    After much experimenting, I've settled on the following workflow:<br /><br />1. download clips from camera<br />2. transcode clips in Adobe Media Encoder with the following settings<br /> Format: MPEG2<br /> Summary - <br /> video: NTSC, 1920x1080, 29.97 (or 23.967), Progressive, Quality 5.0<br /> audio: 384 kbps, 48 kHz, 16 bit, Stereo, MPEG<br /> encode: VBR, 2-pass, Min 25.00, Target 39.00, Max 39.92 Mbps<br /><br />3. 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    Participant
    January 8, 2009
    I'm a mac man, so I hope someone here can help have just bought the new Canon compact SX1 IS here in Australia which also shoots Full HD H264 30fps. It is NTSC/PAL switchable but still plays at 30fps! I agree with Malcolm, am I missing something here? Doesn't PAL MEAN it has to be at 25 fps?

    I note that several people above talk about software being available for Pal 30 fps -25fps down conversion.

    If that is so you are doing a lot better than I am in finding it! Just to reiterate, I need a mac program that will convert smooth,full HD H.264 PAL footage from 30fps to 25fps so I can cut it in Final Cut pro.
    By the way I've managed to put it into the final cut timeline as full HD, but when I try to change the H264 compressor setting from 30fps to 25fps it won't let me. Help, or a point in the right direction, will be greatly appreciated
    Bob_Dix_Photographer-E0Nmzu
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    June 7, 2009

    Well, you can take it onto the timeline and render the lot and go to sleep for 5 hours. in Premiere Pro 1.5.1 , you can alter the speed of the clips on the timeline if it appears too unsmooth ?

    Some if not all of the clips on a 35 min project was simply stunning. But, you need sometimes to watch the speed of say a car or tram and alter it to 85% as the Mark II canon 5D travels at 30fps and taking off the timeline unaltered can be unsmooth for a Canon HV 20 running at 25fps..

    I believe  some smart tech at Adobe can fix this simply , but, most techs on the phone verge on the incompetent.

    I am getting there with the help of a top Aussie tech working on Edius they do work with CS3 sometimes , there is an answer out there. We work in Full high definition which does not come with the trial version of CS4 , how useless is that. The techs in melboune tell me there is an issue with mov. files in CS4 and they are working to fix that ??????????????????????

    Let me know when it happens, because CS4 does not match the stunning video coming out of the Canon D Mark II  ################

    Participant
    January 4, 2009
    Interesting topic - I too will have a go at Sebastien's work around for HD when I get a moment (thanks for that).

    Quick question can anyone give me their project settings for CS4 for SD editing? I had a look and I didn't see anything exactly right - ie 640x480, 30 fps - or can you create custom settings of your own?

    Another thing ;) - probably a silly question (sorry I have been away from editing for some time) but are we now not really shooting in PAL or NTSC any more? In other words that is only an output option? Hope that makes sense,

    Cheers,

    Malcolm
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    January 1, 2009
    Sebastien - great info, thank you very much. I'm going to try this.
    Participating Frequently
    December 31, 2008
    Stanley,

    I'm not so sure about the Canon h.264 codec being different than 'regular' Quicktime. From what I understand the 5d video plays perfectly with Quicktime right out of the camera.
    Stan Jones
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    Community Expert
    December 31, 2008
    Sebastien, Thanks for sharing this. Very interesting.

    Mark, this supports your point as well:

    > Your typical computer setup even now chokes on 15mbps h.264 already. And now we have 40mbps h.264?

    I know someone said it, but I didn't get it: the Canon H.264 is a different codec than the regular Quicktime, even though it is wrapped as a Quicktime file?
    Participant
    December 30, 2008
    Hi.
    If that can be of any help, I describe in great details my workflow with the Canon 5D Mark II and Adobe Premiere CS4, using proxies and offline editing. After this video:
    http://www.vimeo.com/2641870
    Participant
    December 29, 2008
    Mark Slack, I did. As opposed to Full HD the 4:3 footage runs smoothly in Premiere and is completely editable. It's a pity it doesn't have native PAL resolution. If it did, I couldn't be happier.