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MOGRT poor performance

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January 18, 2023
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Hi there,

I'm just wondering how the use of MOGRTs are going for people?

The feature promises so much yet it works atrociously. It shouldn't have been rolled out in its current state, it's insanely buggy and the rendering times are in the hours for a few seconds of template. Oddly, the Estimated Time Left also gives wildly inaccurate times, so even Premiere itself has no idea how long it takes to render the MOGRT sequences. This is NOT helpful when needing to report to clients and superiors about how long an edit is taking to render. Overall, Premiere is becoming increasingly difficult to manage and predict time-wise. Is the program becoming too bloated to run properly?

Can anyone from Adobe report on whether there are any improvements coming for this feature, and in general Premiere itself?
Seems like the program would best be served being stripped down to run quicker rather than packed with features that can barely run.

Performance

Correct answer Warren Heaton

Motion Graphics Templates are a direct response to users who requested a way to edit motion graphics created in After Effects directly in the Premiere Pro Timeline. Users asked for it and the After Effects team and Premiere Pro team delivered.

While MOGRTs are easy to just drag and drop into the Timeline, those making use of them should take the time to learn more about them with the following free resources:

And for a deep dive:

Making MOGRTs: Creating Motion Graphics Templates in Adobe After Effects by Jarle Leirpoll

Like any After Effects Comp, MOGRTs can be complex and complexity means longer render time. The chapter "Optimizing MOGRT performance" in Jarle's free guide provides excellent guidance for better performance when creating MOGRTs.

Christian.Z

Community Expert

it all depends on the people creating the mogrt and how they optimize it

R Neil Haugen

Legend

Absolute truth, Christian!

I've seen the performance difference created by a decent graphics person, simply taking a couple minutes to optimize someone else's poorly finished mogrt.

And in my experience the vast majority of online mogrts, including Envato (which I have licensed) ... badly need optimized before using.

Everyone's mileage always varies ...

Christian.Z

Community Expert

@Carlos Ziade was actually great in giving me this advice long ago (which i sadly forgot) so if he can post ste-by-step instruction on how topen a mogrt in AE and what are the settings to enable for it to be optimized for newer versions

savagequest

Inspiring

I recently began working with MOGRT files, I've downloaded a few from Envato, perhaps not the best source. I have experienced similar difficulties with render times, editing, unable to see new updates unless I wait several minutes or render the entire sequence which in-turn takes more than an hour for 00:45 sec of video. These MOGRT's have been the WORST experience in my whole career using Premiere now over 25 years.

I'm on a MacBook Pro

2.4 GHz 8-Core Intel Core i9
Radeon Pro 580 8 GB – Running an external BlackMagic GPU
Intel UHD Graphics 630 1536 MB - internal
64 GB 2667 MHz DDR4

I crunch through countless minutes/hours of regular video using the timeline and effects in multiple projects. The only thing that has ever stunted my ability to produce fast video projects and edit quickly are these MOGRT Templates. They immediately slow things down as soon as I import them(following the documented instructions), especially trying to edit versions containing separate segments "placeholders" is like watching molasses move over a frozen plate.

I have my playback res down to 1/4 and you cannot render sequence sections you've edited, you only have the option to render entire sequences because they are all self-contained. Unfortunately, all the budget I have access to is under Adobe Stock & Envato at this time, and have not found anything I can use under Adobe Stock.

I would love an update as soon as these types of templates are known to be more universal and editor-friendly. I have also filed a similar complaint with Envato since ALL their Premier Pro templates are MOGRT Files basically rendering them all useless to me!

stevenl2620754

Participant

Im having a heck of a time with some basic L3's that were created. we have 3 computers in our space.
all are the same spec: Mac Pro 2019, 12 core Xeon, 96G RAM, Vega II 32GB
on 2 of the computers, the MOGRTs run smoothly. on the 3rd computer, it grinds it to a halt. HOWEVER, on the 3rd computer, if i make a new user profile and use the MOGRT it runs perfectly. So i'm pulling out my hair with the bunk user profile. I've uninstalled/reinstalled premiere... trashed all the preferences... The only thing that i havent done yet is to nuke this entire profile and start over and rebuild everything.

R Neil Haugen

Legend

Thanks for posting ... and that's certainly intriguing.

So something in the User Profile is the issue ... huh.

Neil

Everyone's mileage always varies ...

stevenl2620754

Participant

Apparently specific to that user profile on Computer 3. We are on AD here, so for funzies, I had the owner of Computer 3 make a new profile on my computer and try to edit this same project... and no issues.

So on Monday we are going to have an Admin log in to Computer 3, and completely nuke the owner's profile and start over.

I wish I had more time to investigate, but it's already been 3 days, trying what i know (killing pref files, un/reinstalling software, running speedtests/pings, disabling things in startup, clearing out Adobe-related things in his library, deleting all unnecssary fonts, using stock layouts in premiere, re-doing the MOGRTS in AE, moving positions of where cached Motion Templates are stored, using both methods of importing MOGRTs into Premiere, to name a few)

Warren Heaton

Community Expert

Are you using one of the MOGRTs that are included with Premiere Pro, one from Adobe Stock, or one from another publisher of MOGRTs?

Most of the MOGRTs included with Premiere Pro like Bold Lower Third, Bold Title, Classic Logo Presents should perform well on any computer that meets the minumum system requirements.

MOGRTs from Adobe Stock like Flip Square Slideshow Replacement Title are gorgenous, but are likely to lag quite a bit on an i5, be sluggisg on an i7, while being rather responsive on an i9.

One way to speed up the render time of MOGRTs while editing is to set the Video Preview in the Sequence Settings to a smaller frame size. Of course, this is trading image quality for render time while editing and those previews cannot be used when exporting a file for delivery later.

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default25041600hxli7xAuthor

Participating Frequently

This seems to be the case. What's likely happened is that as Adobe has become the leader they've become complacement, as companies usually get when cornering a market. Premiere Pro has gone the same way. They introduced a Premiere/After Effects intermediate feature called MOGRTs which absolutely kill your machine and derail your projects. Does't matter the machine spec or project organisation. This has beent the case for two years and there's no sign of improvement. It's great that Adobe has contempt for it's core users. There's so many people making Youtube essays and Minecraft videos in Premiere in their bedrooms though that Adobe don't care, so those of us with schedules and managers and projects to complete have to suck it up and keep having to say "it'll be a bit longer" until we get in trouble. I HATE using Premiere. And I loved using Premiere up until it became troublesome a few years ago. I still use it because the companies I work for like the convenience of the Adobe suite. It's worth remembering that Final Cut once cornered the market but screwed up and then lost ALOT of it's client base as a result. This is what I hope happens to Adobe so they can learn from it, fire the lazy execs and software engineers and get back to providing great software like they did 10+ years ago.

kglad

Community Expert

i think just about every for-profit corp has the same problems: there's a lot to like, and a lot to dislike.

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default25041600hxli7xAuthor

Participating Frequently

True, no company is perfect or should be expected to be and there will always be issues, especially with something as complex as software and multiple variables regarding the end users. However... it's been known for two years for MORGTs are not just laggy, but often just flat don't work properly. If I purchased a van which wobbled and crashed at 55mph that van would need to be recalled as its not fit for purpose. MORGTs come very close to not being fit for purpose and that's when really there should be an effort to acknowledge the problem, even if ti'll take a couple of years to sort out, or multiple updates. As for the profit thing - well, as what happened to Final Cut - your profits are at risk anyway if you don't continue the quality. There's always a competitor waiting to take your crown no matter how big a company is.

Ann Bens

Community Expert

Can anyone from Adobe report on whether there are any improvements coming for this feature, and in general Premiere itself?
Seems like the program would best be served being stripped down to run quicker rather than packed with features that can barely run.

By @default25041600hxli7x

Adobe does not comment on these matters.

If you can always give the beta a spin.

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default25041600hxli7xAuthor

Participating Frequently

Thanks for the suggestion about the Beta version. Does this potentially smooth out some of the issues with Mogrts?

"Adobe does not comment on these matters."

Ahh, that's OK then. I'll say the same thing to my managers when they next ask how long a project will take to render. OR the organisation I work for could just switch to another editing suite I guess and cancel the subscription. I find Adobe really strange sometimes in its outlook and handling of its users.

R Neil Haugen

Legend

Neither Adobe nor BlackMagic (Resolve) comment aboout anything ahead of it appearing in their Public Beta programs.

For creating full-on mogrts, Ae is really the better app. That said, I've created a ton in Pr without any of the problems you've listed.

So ... give us some details of what you're doing. Often, simply doing something in a different way works the same and processes better also ...

Neil

Everyone's mileage always varies ...

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