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May 12, 2024
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Mono and stereo panning inconsistencies

  • May 12, 2024
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  • Issue - Mono audio pans left and right far stronger/sooner than stereo audio.
  • Adobe Premiere Pro version number: 24.3.0 (build 59)
  • Operating system - Windows 11
  • System Info: CPU, GPU, RAM, HD:
    • Ryzen 5 7600

    • 2080 ti, 551.76 drivers

    • 32GB DDR5-6000

    • Multiple nvme and sata drives, some external, plus networked storage shared across team.

  • Video format: we typically use H264 mp4 files, audio files are RIFF Wave format
  • Workflow details: just adding sound effects to a scene, ambience, incidental foley, etc.
  • Steps to reproduce - (Very important!) 
  • 1- create a new project and main sequence, import the reference mp4.
  • 2- import two wav files, one stereo, one mono.
  •  3- pan them -50 to the left. the mono file will sound around 45 degrees leftward, but the stereo file will sound far left leftward, maybe 20 degrees ish. depends on the stereo field present in the file.
  • 4- use stereo expander on the stereo track, set to 0 (mixing stereo tracks to dual mono basically)
  • 5- compare the dual mono to the mono track. results will still be the same, indicating this is not an issue of percieved differences in the stereo vs mono track, but instead how mono and stereo tracks are panned differently.
  • Expected result - on at the very least, step 5 should have resulted in a near identical audibly heard pan position, but step 3 should ideally also result in similar positionality than it currently does.
  • Actual result -  audio panning seems to be linear on mono, but logarithmic or eased out on stereo files.

 

this makes doing sound to animation a good deal tedious since depending on if the file is mono or stereo, panning behaves differently.  again, even a stereo file stereo expanded to 0 (so mixing both channels) pans far slower to left and right channels initially than a mono file, which rules out the possibility of differences in the stereo field causing a percieved difference in pan positionality.

 

here is a waveform of a stereo mix capture on premiere project playback audio. all sounds are panned to -25.

first sound is standard stereo. middle is standard mono, third is stereo with stereo expander set to 0 (stereo channels mixxed, no stereo field effect)

you can see it visually, I'd hope. the mono file has decreseased the volume of the right channel output far quicker than the stereo based files. the stereo files barely pan at all until you hit well past 40-50 on the panning setting, which is what makes me think stereo are handled logarithmically, which is inconsistent.

 

volume db setting also seems to affect track panning, lowering the volume will make stereo tracks pan even less, but it's barely noticable in most circumstances, and potentially down to how humans percieve audio as I have been unable to visibly reproduce it in a waveform capture.

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Correct answer mstegner

@Pepper2676 

 

This is correct.  This is due to the Pan Law compensation built into Premiere Pro, mono and stereo clips on a stereo track will have compensated volume levels as they pass across the stereo audio buss.  Mono to stereo tracks will also behave similarly (and sub-mixes).

 

Premiere Pro has, effectively, always worked this way.  Here is the Wikipedia article explaining what Pan Law compensation is:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panning_law

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mstegnerCommunity ManagerCorrect answer
Community Manager
May 17, 2024

@Pepper2676 

 

This is correct.  This is due to the Pan Law compensation built into Premiere Pro, mono and stereo clips on a stereo track will have compensated volume levels as they pass across the stereo audio buss.  Mono to stereo tracks will also behave similarly (and sub-mixes).

 

Premiere Pro has, effectively, always worked this way.  Here is the Wikipedia article explaining what Pan Law compensation is:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panning_law

Participating Frequently
May 13, 2024

under steps to reproduce I made a minor mistake,  I wrote for step 3:  "pan them -50 to the left. the mono file will sound around 45 degrees leftward, but the stereo file will sound far left leftward, maybe 20 degrees ish. depends on the stereo field present in the file."

 

the middle of this, "but the stereo file will sound far left leftward, maybe 20 degrees ish." should actually read as follows:

but the stereo file will sound far less leftward, maybe 20 degrees ish.

 

Participating Frequently
May 12, 2024

some further evidence, here is a stereo mix waveform capture of premiere pro playback of a repeated chunk of white noise at 0db. first six are mono, second six are stereo (just stereo files, actually mono signal copied to two channels)
each successive part is panned -20 in audio effect controls panner (so first is set to 0, then -20, etc to -100). the stereo file shows logirithmic tendancies, while the mono file seems quite linear. it also starts out louder in both channels which is odd, I've double checked all the settings double checked the files used, they should be the same volume levels.