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October 1, 2018
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Premiere/Encoder H264 File Size and Compression

  • October 1, 2018
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Hey All,

Perhaps some light could be shone here on this issue.

Why are Adobe's H264s so big? I'm talking, really big. And when I am able to restrict the bitrate to attempt a lower file size, the picture comes out noisy as hell.

Specifically, I am taking feature films with a ProRes 4444 source and exporting "Audio Reference" Quicktimes, which basically have all 16+ audio tracks same-as-source, but with a compressed 480p H264 picture, so that an Audio QC guy can check the sound in ProTools, but not have to have a 200GB file. Instead, we usually target a 15-20GB file size.

Anyway, I've run tests out of Premiere/Encoder, Davinci Resolve, Avid, even Handbrake. I am always going into the most advanced, granular, customized options for all these export tests - max render quality on/off, bitrate per second limiting, etc. - and without exception, the Premiere files always come out larger and worse than any of the other programs.

A Resolve output, for example, got me an H264 at a cap of 5mbps of 13.7GB. A test with Premiere at 3mbps came out at 17.8GB and looked ten times worse.

Is Adobe just using a worse H264 compression than the rest of the competition? Seems like that cannot possibly be the case, but I cannot disprove it otherwise.

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Legend
December 18, 2018

Why are Adobe's H264s so big?

File size is a function of bitrate and duration.  Every program in existence would create the same size files, given the same bitrate and duration.

Legend
November 7, 2018

This is a bit off topic, but why are you targeting smaller files for the audio guy? A ProRes 4444 file will have less playback overhead than an H.264 file, and surely disk space isn't the issue?

And yes, since H.264 implementations vary, one will be better than the other, and it's quite likely Premiere isn't the best in the business. I'm not saying that's actually the case because I have no data to support it, but it's definitely possible. Just use the one that works best for you.

Coming to this specific quote of yours "exporting "Audio Reference" Quicktimes", just make sure you are using H.264 directly as your output format and not Quicktime, and then H.264 from the Video Codec list. You should be getting an MP4 as an output, not a Quicktime MOV file.

Kevin J. Monahan Jr.
Community Manager
Community Manager
November 7, 2018

Hi groosa,

Solve this issue yet? Let us know.

Thanks,
Kevin

Kevin Monahan - Sr. Community and Engagement Strategist – Adobe Pro Video and Audio
Participant
December 18, 2018

Problem: I am working with an original MP4 of 8 MB.  I import the file and chop off the last 3 seconds of the video.  Then I export using H.264.  I move the bitrate slider from 10 Mbps all the way to 0.3 Mbps.  I change audio from 310 Kbps down to 128 Kbps.  The estimated file size moves down from 70 MB all the to 10 MB which I can live with, even as an estimate.  Then I make sure that I double-check my Metadata setting and have it set to NONE both as a default in Program Properties and at the Export Window.

Then I export the file.  Final result is a file that is 63 MB in size.

I have tried every possible option.  I am using a simple Dell i7 Laptop with no fancy upgrades.  I am a simple guy.  Been in this business form about 8 years.  Did TV work where file-size compression was important and followed the above steps in all previous version of Adobe Premiere and everything used to work fine.  At this point I am DONE.  Adobe is making very difficult to be happy with as a LONG STANDING client through versions all the way back to v.3.

I really need someone to fix this problem for me.  I am losing money from not being able to get this file to my client in a size that they cacn work with for their media broadcasting and advertising needs.  Please help.