Premiere Pro 25.2.1 - Captions and White Graphics Aren't White

Total sympathies … this is an area that is clearly not fixed, and I know from talking at NAB with the staff they are aware and it is supposedly being worked on. I wish they had simply been able to fix it. but ah well.

There’s two different things that the previous two posts may be attempting … ​@PabloQS seems to be doing something where the total pass through setup might be a better fit, though even there, graphics can be an issue. I’m not sure what Sunn wants to end up with, so I don’t know about that.

Outoputting to multiple DR/color spaces from one master is tricky to do. Prior to export, you can try simply changing the sequence space to the export of choice of the moment … but … if you’ve graded while monitoring with a Rec.709 monitor/export space, and change the sequence to say PQ, you may need to rework the grade on at least some clips. And the same going the other way.

The colorists I work for/with/teach work naturally in either Resolve or Baselight, and even though there are ‘better’ export selection items to have R or B auto-change the mapped data, they always want to check through the sequence as there will be changes needed, sometimes many.

My personal pref is to grade in the wider setup, say HLG/Rec2100, then duplicate the sequence, shift remapping to Rec.709, and do a ‘trim’ pass through the duped sequence. 

This doesn’t ‘fix’ the graphics of course … and for me I’m still going through and selecting any graphic, going to the clip override option in CM, and trying various Log options. Most of the time the Arri Log at the top seems to work pretty close to my needs. But sometimes I’ll pick a different one.

I know for some b-cast folks, this just doesn’t fly though. 

Posting a new thread involves going to the far upper right corner now, where your name/id shows on the top bar of the forum softwared. There is the “Create a Post” option, not where it was nor really anyone expects it to be.

This is one of the last major problems to solve in the newer CM setup … and you might have a usable workaround. The trick is to get Premiere to ‘see’ the clip as media … so it tonemaps it into your current setup.

Try selecting a graphic, and going in the CM panel to the clip section and try to Override-To a log format, like the top Arri option. That often works for me. Occasionally I’ve got a better result for a specific graphic from a different log/RAW option.

I've been working this same problem. The suggestion to revert to an SDR workflow is one approach, but it completely defeats the purpose of an intermediate color space, which is the whole point of the new CM! So frustrating. Here's what works for me:

1. Do your edit and color in ACES, as you've been doing, with a Wide Gamut setup, and Output conversion to your delivery standard.

2. Nest that sequence into a new sequence (Direct SDR by default—or whatever your delivery standard is)

3. Add your graphics in the new sequence.

It's not perfect, and it would be frustrating if you have a ton of graphics, but it's working for me, for now, while we wait for a fix. 

Hi Corey28086712ghs5,

Welcome to the community! Under Sequence Settings > Color Management > Advanced, set Output Tone Mapping to None. Hope it helps.

Thanks,

Sumeet

Did you create the graphics in Premiere, or elsewhere?

I do know there's a way that some png and/or jpg files can be tagged for color space/DR, that doesn't fit the Premiere CM as you would expect, while others tagged differently work perfectly.