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October 24, 2018
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Premiere pro display colour management

  • October 24, 2018
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So I was excited about the display colour management option, thinking I could finally edit on my works new Mac without having to use a crappy monitor as a reference to colour correct (since I can't lie the Mac screen looks amazing)

But checking this option made the display even more different to the final export

So maybe I've misunderstood what the colour management option should be used for? can anyone help?

Thanks!

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chrisw44157881
Inspiring
November 5, 2018

enabling color management should get it to a standard. what's not told, however, is that the standard is a special gamma function called bt1886 which is not the same as gamma 2.4 or 2.2. This standard is used for some broadcast or bluray but not for web based video like youtube/vimeo. if you want have it match web, you will need a transform lut from bt1886 to 2.2 srgb. the color engine is still 2.2 but your grading will not look correct. I hope adobe makes an obvious statement somewhere to dismiss wrong impressions of what color management is and what it can, and cannot do. premiere still cannot interpret custom icc profiles so watch out for that as well. in a way, it pushed out web creators even more as this creates a larger discrepancy of color instead of reducing it and muddles it into a misnomer of all problems solved in the latest update.

R Neil Haugen
Legend
November 6, 2018

From the SpectraCal pdf explaining the Bt1886 standard, adopted again as the second half of Rec709 work back in 2011 ...

2. What is BT.1886?

BT.1886 is the recommended gamma for High Definition flat panel displays, determined and adopted by the International telecommunications Union (ITU) in March of 2011.

3. Why is BT.1886 necessary?

A variety of gamma functions have been in use in the field, with no standard.  Creating a single standard for gamma makes it easier to ensure that the same content is viewed the same way on every display.

BT.1886 is not valuable just because it is a standard, however.  It offers several clear advantages over previous practice.  First, BT.1886 more closely mimics the behavior of CRTs than previous power functions, and therefore better ensures consistent viewing on different display technologies.  

Most importantly, unlike previous gamma functions that made the first few steps out of black hard to differentiate (particularly if the display had an elevated black level), BT.1886 provides clearer differentiation between the first few steps out of black. 

4. How is BT.1886 different from previous gamma functions?

Previous gamma functions were based on a perfect black of zero luminance that few devices can actually achieve. Unlike these older functions, BT.1886 takes into account the performance of a device at its blackest level. Previous gamma functions additionally do not adequately account for independent adjustment of brightness and contrast controls on a display.

5. How does BT.1886 make these improvements?

As SpectraCal’s Director of Software Development, Joel Barsotti, explains, “BT.1886 is like having the ability to slide the end-­‐points (the display’s black and white levels) up and down the curve itself, so that the scale is preserved.  This affords a greater amount of noticeable difference between points at the dark end of the curve.” 

7. Should I use BT.1886?

Yes.  SpectraCal recommends using BT.1886 for all High Definition (that is, ITU-­‐R BT.709) video applications. Since version 5.2 of CalMAN software, BT.1886 has been the default gamma function for the Rec 709 colorspace standard.

BT.1886 is quickly being adopted in the field, particularly in the broadcast, production, and post-­‐production industries.

  

8. When should I not use BT.1886?

If you are using a colorspace target that defines its own gamma function, you should use the gamma function defined for that colorspace. For example, if you are targeting the Digital Cinema Initiative (DCI) colorspace definition, you should use the DCI gamma function.

 

9. What are the main advantages of using BT.1886?

BT.1886 creates a closer match between different video displays, so that the same video signal will appear more consistently on different displays. Since BT.1886 has rapidly been adopted by content producers, setting your display to BT.1886 will also provide the best opportunity to view video content as it was originally produced.

  

Finally, BT.1886 will almost always provide clearer differentiation between the first few steps out of black.  

It's been part of the implementation of the Rec709 video standard across all flat-screen devices since 2011. Which most certainly includes the monitors hooked up to modern computers. Now ... when someone chooses via an app or the OS not to have their software or gear follow the standard, then ... it's dicey for everyone.

Neil

Everyone's mileage always varies ...
chrisw44157881
Inspiring
November 6, 2018

for monitor calibration, there was a recent pole done with high end colorists. the 2.4 was 80%, bt1886 15%, others 5%. so it's not a 'real' standard yet.

i wonder if adobe did a similar pole. Steve Shaw from light illusions balks at it as well.

"BT1886 is just a display calibration gamma, and should not be used for any 'conversions'. You should only use Power Law gamma for conversions.

A display with a zero black will calibrate using BT1886 to a 2.4 power law. With a raised black you will get lifted shadows. This is one of the issues with BT1886, as the lifted shadows will cause you, the colourist. to over compensate by grading the shadows darker. The end result will be potentially crushed shadows/blacks when viewed on a display that is not calibrated to Bt1886, but has a lifted black point, as many home TV have...

Steve Shaw

welcome to the real world, adobe. you should have done 2.4, not bt1886, its a display calibration only and should not have been burned into the code.  ;(

Kevin J. Monahan Jr.
Legend
November 5, 2018

Hi DavidS,

Sorry that this feature is not working correctly. Can you double check the following steps?

Preferences

  • Preferences > General > "Enable Display Color Management"

EnableDisplayColorManagment_GeneralPreferences.png

  1. Set the OS display profile to the default display profile.  On a MacBook Pro, it's called "Color LCD." On an iMac or iMac Pro it's called "iMac."
  2. Import any standard media
  3. Edit the clip into a sequence and look at the Program Monitor
  4. Colors look correct!
  5. Try turning off Display Color Management if the colors look too saturated.

I hope this info helps. If not, be sure to file a bug here: Premiere Pro: Hot (3081 ideas) – Adobe video & audio apps

Thanks,
Kevin

Kevin Monahan - Sr. Community and Engagement Strategist – Adobe Pro Video and Audio