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AndrewTheGreat
AndrewTheGreat
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August 17, 2023
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Premiere Pro working with text INSANELY SLOW with no CPU\GPU load

  • August 17, 2023
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Hi, a couple of days ago I posted a message about the Write-On effect being insanely slow in Premiere Pro 2023.6. I was told this effect did not support GPU acceleration and was absolete (though this does not explain why it used to work perfectly on a Core-i7 4770 plus 32 gigs of ram and a 6-gig GTX 1060 in Premiere 2019 and cannot work in Premiere 2023 on a 13700-4080-64Gb plus SSD).

Ok, right now I'm working on a video comprising 4k training footage plus on-screen explanatory messages. It is literally a 4k footage on one track and from 1 to 7 text layers created via the text tool above. No effects, no color correction., nothing. By the way the video specs:

Type: MPEG Movie
File Size: 607,57 MB
Image Size: 3840 x 2160
Frame Rate: 60,00
Source Audio Format: 44100 Hz - Compressed - Stereo
Project Audio Format: 44100 Hz - 32 bit floating point - Stereo
Total Duration: 00:01:40:32
Pixel Aspect Ratio: 1,0
Alpha: None
Color Space: Rec. 2100 HLG
Color Space Override: Rec. 2100 HLG (Scene)
Input LUT: None
Video Codec Type: HEVC 10 bit 4:2:0

Just below you'll see a video of the process I'm struggling with. As you will see from the moment I select a text layer or select the text inside the text layer or type anything instead of the text inside the text layer passes from 1-5 seconds. Premire Pro does respond during this time - I can choose other tools and move the timeline or the windows, so it does not hang or something, but the whole text layer system inside the software does. Those lags are also present when I try to move the text layer or change its scale (both in the effects properties and essential graphics panels). You'll notice the pauses (during them I move the mouse from side to side).

At the same time my CPU or the graphics card show up to 10-15% of load max as if they do not take part in that. @jstrawn can you comment on this situation? What is happening with Premiere Pro? Why does a text layer even show any lags on a powerful machine? And why is the timeline always yellow? Always. Even if you simply open up a 1080p footage it is yellow, not green. It all started from the 2023.2 and now I cannot even work with texts. Should I use Ae for making a text message appear and disapper on the screen, really? The thing even a cellphone app does without any lags...

Win10, Nvidia Studio Driver 236.99

    Correct answer jstrawn

    Thank you for the test project @AndrewTheGreat . I opened it and saw a huge amount of Text Layers, all in different Graphics and Tracks across the whole timeline. I also saw a lot of missing third party effects when I opened it (see image). You are really pushing beyond the limits of what Graphics in Pr were ever designed to do. They are all live vector items with keyframes (even when not animated) so they all take a hit on your processing power. They may not cause your system resources to spike way up (because individually, each text layer is pretty light) but it's really hard for Pr to draw it all over and over again as you move or edit text layers.

    As for the solution, I think you have already shown by your own testing that removing Graphics and their Text Layers will cause things to speed up. So whatever you can do to consolidate and flatten layers will probably help a lot. Maybe try exporting a sequence of Graphics to a file format that supports transparency and then just lay that exported media on top in on track. Or you could perhaps try doing the Text & Graphics things in Ae and then import the comp with Dynamic Link into Pr. But my guess is performance may get bogged down that way as well.

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    jstrawn
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    August 18, 2023

    Thank you for the test project @AndrewTheGreat . I opened it and saw a huge amount of Text Layers, all in different Graphics and Tracks across the whole timeline. I also saw a lot of missing third party effects when I opened it (see image). You are really pushing beyond the limits of what Graphics in Pr were ever designed to do. They are all live vector items with keyframes (even when not animated) so they all take a hit on your processing power. They may not cause your system resources to spike way up (because individually, each text layer is pretty light) but it's really hard for Pr to draw it all over and over again as you move or edit text layers.

    As for the solution, I think you have already shown by your own testing that removing Graphics and their Text Layers will cause things to speed up. So whatever you can do to consolidate and flatten layers will probably help a lot. Maybe try exporting a sequence of Graphics to a file format that supports transparency and then just lay that exported media on top in on track. Or you could perhaps try doing the Text & Graphics things in Ae and then import the comp with Dynamic Link into Pr. But my guess is performance may get bogged down that way as well.

      AndrewTheGreat
      AndrewTheGreatAuthor
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      August 18, 2023

      Hi, @jstrawn 

      Don't know how to do it properly. I've tried to move a part with the text to a new sequence and there there are no lags. So then I moved all the materials from the original sequence to the newly created one and got the lags. I then started to delete parts of materials and saw that the lags gradually become less obvious. The problem is that the whole video consists of 9 lessons with half of them having explanatory texts like I showed in the video so I have to have those layers in the video.

      This is how it looks now

       

      The stacked layers are all texts plus a timer I created in the Essential graphics panel. So I tried removing all of tthe timers  but the lags don't go away so they are not the culprit.

      And I have simple essential graphics transitions I created that consist of 3 sequential color mattes animated by position and crop so they appar one by one. Tried removing all of them too and the lag does not go away either. 

      So everything is made inside Premiere Pro, no external plugins or effects are used. The amount Premiere Pro and my 13 gen CPU should handle easily. 

       

      I have also tried toggling off the first track with all the video footage and simultaneously switch on the global FX mute button leaving the texts and those animated layers only and this is what happens:

      https://drive.google.com/file/d/1b66Lhtn3OtgLW8QF3KjJgpF0IlHXzq9t/view?usp=sharing

      So even WITH the video OFF there are lags whitch proves Premiere Pro has problems working with its own text and essential graphics engine (or what is it called)

       

       

      Ok, I removed all the videos and sound. Only the texts and animated layers. The lag is still there though not as crazy https://drive.google.com/file/d/19CHzZJs_8uf0-Mz2SG8Q7v6cn4TjeGIZ/view?usp=sharing

        AndrewTheGreat
        AndrewTheGreatAuthor
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        August 18, 2023

        Hi, Neil.

        This is what happens if you switch the track with all the video footage off and even activate the global FX button

        https://drive.google.com/file/d/1b66Lhtn3OtgLW8QF3KjJgpF0IlHXzq9t/view?usp=sharing

          jstrawn
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          jstrawnCommunity Manager
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          August 17, 2023

          @AndrewTheGreat Can you send me a direct message with a project? Please keep it as simple as possible... Eeven just one Graphic + Test if possible. Whatever the minimum is you need to see the problem with.

          We also can't tell what Font you are using in the video. What font is that? Do things improve if you use a different Font?

            R Neil Haugen
            R Neil Haugen
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            August 17, 2023

            @RjL190365 would be the one with the best data on the processes here. But on many rigs, 4K 60fps long-GOP is a bugger to work with. And James could give some help on the graphics, but I know from experience graphics are often one of the heavier loads on the system inside Premiere.

             

            So ... 4k 60fps 10 bit long-GOP combined with up to seven layers of graphics. From what I do know, unless you've got exactly the right chips involved, that's going to struggle at times at the least.

             

            And yea, that's annoying as all heck. But then, I work for/with/teach pro colorists, most of them with hardware makes yours and mine look totally anemic ... and most of the colorists t-code any long-GOP stuff, especially 4k/60fps, prior to working it for a color grade. Just automatically.

             

            Neil

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