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christophs4940721
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February 14, 2020
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REC. 2020 Colormanagement Support

  • February 14, 2020
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Are there any plans at all to implement a proper REC 2020 support for sequences in PP?

Right now PP only supports REC 709 for its sequences. In the last couple of years HDR

has become more relevant and as of now we are currently receiving more and more requests

to produce our movies in HDR.

 

AVID currently has a proper colomanagement support for REC 2020, however we would really like to stick with PP as its about 100x more intuitive with about 1000x more functions.

 

Are there any devs on here that can comment on the future of HDR and PP?

 

Thanks

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Correct answer R Neil Haugen

This isn't a forum where team members routinely visit or post, it's primarily user to user with some oversight by support staff.

 

I dove into Premiere's full color management ingesting through export last year for a presentation I gave in the Flanders/Mixinglight booth at NAB, and a pair of tutorials on Mixinglight.com. Spent several hours on the phone, screen sharing, and in person with then-color engineer Francis Crossman.

 

Premiere can work just fine with Rec.2020 as-is internally. Set the scopes panel to Rec.2020 and in the Lumetri panel, turn on the HDR setting.

 

That isn't the problem.

 

The problem is no internal monitors work properly with media above 105 nits or so. Not Source, Program, nor Transmit Out.

 

They just quietly added an option in Preferences to enable extended range monitoring which on a Mac supposedly allows resetting monitors such that you can work with "extended range" media, maybe as high as 500 nits. I'm not on Mac so I haven't tested that.

 

For full HDR, you have to get the signal out of the OS, and they put the "calls" out for that over a year ago. The only company responding is AJA so far, no BlackMagic gear has had the firmware altered to "see" Premiere.

 

So for Mac, it's the io4k unit connected to the HDR monitor via HDMI, and set to pull the Premiere signal.

 

For PCs it's the AJA Kona 4/5 PCIe cards, again connected via HDMI to the monitor.

 

They are around $1800 each, but then, any actual grading monitor that can properly reference for HDR is still above $28,000.

 

And no, from all professional testing the new Mac XDR monitor isn't even close because of dimming/blooming issues. It can handle bright scenes relatively ok, but dark segments lift horribly if any middling/brighter pixels are in a relatively large neighborhood. It can't maintain over 1,000:1 contrast with mixed material.

 

Though ... set properly, it's the best Apple monitor for SDR work, nearly matching a Flanders or Eizo for overall levels. Though screen uniformity ain't even close.

 

The Premiere developers are working on revamping the code to handle user choices for Rec.709, Rec.2020, and full HDR. But they never tell us when such changes are coming. So ... we'll know about it when it "drops".

 

Neil

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Mohan Sharma
Adobe Employee
May 12, 2020

Hi Christoph,

Kindly have a look at https://community.adobe.com/t5/premiere-pro-beta/discuss-rec-2100-hlg-hdr-workflow/td-p/11122932?page=1

It would definitely interest you!

 

Thanks,

Mohan Sharma

R Neil Haugen
R Neil Haugen
Legend
February 18, 2020

Christoph,

 

Here's the FAQ for this forum that I wrote that lists everything in detail, links to the gear, and the chart of HDR exportable format/codec combinations.

 

FAQ: HDR in Premiere

 

BlackMagic hasn't released any firmware updates that have allowed their gear to "see" Premiere's HDR signal stream as far as I know ... and truthfully, I'm not holding my breath. BM for years has seen itself as a competitor for Adobe, and well ... why help the other guy, right?

 

Well, I LOVE to be proved wrong on something like this! BlackMagic may not have ... hurried? ... to support HDR monitoring from Premiere, but ... as of today, has released their Desktop Video software ver. 11.5 which says it includes HDR signal support through several of their items from Premiere Pro.

 

Thank you, BlackMagic!

 

As to exporting HDR media from Premiere, there are four different format/codecs  ... and the complete details are in the chart and the comments about that included in my FAQ.

 

Neil

Everyone's mileage always varies ...
R Neil Haugen
R Neil HaugenCorrect answer
Legend
February 14, 2020

This isn't a forum where team members routinely visit or post, it's primarily user to user with some oversight by support staff.

 

I dove into Premiere's full color management ingesting through export last year for a presentation I gave in the Flanders/Mixinglight booth at NAB, and a pair of tutorials on Mixinglight.com. Spent several hours on the phone, screen sharing, and in person with then-color engineer Francis Crossman.

 

Premiere can work just fine with Rec.2020 as-is internally. Set the scopes panel to Rec.2020 and in the Lumetri panel, turn on the HDR setting.

 

That isn't the problem.

 

The problem is no internal monitors work properly with media above 105 nits or so. Not Source, Program, nor Transmit Out.

 

They just quietly added an option in Preferences to enable extended range monitoring which on a Mac supposedly allows resetting monitors such that you can work with "extended range" media, maybe as high as 500 nits. I'm not on Mac so I haven't tested that.

 

For full HDR, you have to get the signal out of the OS, and they put the "calls" out for that over a year ago. The only company responding is AJA so far, no BlackMagic gear has had the firmware altered to "see" Premiere.

 

So for Mac, it's the io4k unit connected to the HDR monitor via HDMI, and set to pull the Premiere signal.

 

For PCs it's the AJA Kona 4/5 PCIe cards, again connected via HDMI to the monitor.

 

They are around $1800 each, but then, any actual grading monitor that can properly reference for HDR is still above $28,000.

 

And no, from all professional testing the new Mac XDR monitor isn't even close because of dimming/blooming issues. It can handle bright scenes relatively ok, but dark segments lift horribly if any middling/brighter pixels are in a relatively large neighborhood. It can't maintain over 1,000:1 contrast with mixed material.

 

Though ... set properly, it's the best Apple monitor for SDR work, nearly matching a Flanders or Eizo for overall levels. Though screen uniformity ain't even close.

 

The Premiere developers are working on revamping the code to handle user choices for Rec.709, Rec.2020, and full HDR. But they never tell us when such changes are coming. So ... we'll know about it when it "drops".

 

Neil

Everyone's mileage always varies ...
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    christophs4940721Author
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    February 18, 2020

    Hi Neil,

     

    thank you so much for this detailed reply. You answered all my questions and more, I did not expect to find this here, since I have been asking about this topic over a year ago and did not receive any answeres, so thank you very much!

     

    Just let me repeat what you said in my words and correct me if I am wrong.

     

    HDR works in Premiere (internally) but there is no proper way to get an output over 100nits, because Blackmagic (I work on windows) did not receive any porper updates yet (Unfortunately I am using BM right now)? AJA however will give me a full HDR output in premiere? (I need 1000nits Specification from Broadcaster)?

     

    I just read about the Kona and it says on their site that it works with JPEG 2000? Is taht the only HDR codec taht is currently supported?

     

    I am a bit confused about the HDMI signal. I am currently looking at the Canon DP-V3120. I ll be getting a Demo model in March to test it (very excited). Does the output only work with HDMI? I prefer to work with an SDI signal.

     

    Good to hear that Adobe is working on a solution, thank you I couldnt find any infos in that regard online.

     

    Again, thank you Neil!

     

    Ps check out what BM just released

     

    What's new in Desktop Video 11.5

    Add HDR support for Adobe Premiere Pro for:

    DeckLink 4K Extreme 12G

    R Neil Haugen
    R Neil Haugen
    Legend
    February 18, 2020

    I finally got a chance to check the BlackMagic site, and yes, their Desktop Video software version 11.5 just released adds HDR support for some of their gear when working with Premiere Pro. Yes!

     

    The gear involved are the BlackMagic UltraStudio 4K Mini, UltraStudio 4K Extreme, DeckLink 8K Pro, and DeckLink 4K Extreme 12G.

     

    I haven't heard from anyone using one of these yet, but ... hope to get some confirmation that these work properly soon.

     

    And ... thank you, BlackMagic!

     

    Neil

    Everyone's mileage always varies ...
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