Skip to main content
francoisr2934155
francoisr2934155
Participant
May 24, 2017
Answered

Speed Grade Does not show up PP in File menu.

  • May 24, 2017
  • 2 replies
  • 663 views

Open in Speed Grade does not show in any of the file, edit , etc menus in Premiere Pro.. I am using a trial version of Speed Grade, but this should not matter??

    This topic has been closed for replies.
    Correct answer R Neil Haugen

    As of the release of Premiere Pro CC2015.3 (the first 10.x build series release) the Direct Link process to SpeedGrade was discontinued. You can still download & install PrPro 2015.2 and the last Speedgrade, 201501, and work in Direct Link mode. As they are completely separate build series, you can have them installed and running alongside the newest 2017 release. You can't go from a 2017 project back to a 2015 program within "normal" working practices.

    If you're interested, on the SpeedGrade forum, if you look back, there are methods for working around this issue ... including a number of posts by myself.

    SpeedGrade

    Currently, the recent builds of PrPro are designed to work using either the color correction capabilities of the Lumetri panel or using an EDL/AAF/XML out-process to another app, whether SpeedGrade or Resolve or whatever.

    So ... what are your needs? How much grading do you need with your projects?

    Neil

    2 replies

    francoisr2934155
    francoisr2934155Author
    Participant
    May 25, 2017

    Neil,

    If I'm understanding you, and I think I am, Pre Pro colour correction is almost as good as Speed Grade and my time is better spent on mastering Pre Pro?

    R Neil Haugen
    R Neil Haugen
    Legend
    May 25, 2017

    At this point in the lives of the programs, and for what you can expect to learn in color over a few months work, the practical answer is yes.

    SpeedGrade has a ​lot​ more capability, but ... although it's technically in "hiatus" status, most betting types are betting it will get an EOL statement at some point. I've not heard anything to expect there's any further work to be done with it at NAB.

    Learning to work light ... tones & colors ... in video is very different from stills. You have to retrain your working habits, your expectations, and your understanding of the media you're working in. For stills, we "retouch" every potential blemish in the image, essentially frame by frame. That's a ​horrible waste of time in video, as they fly by, and we only work the things that seem to stand out over time in relation to the things we want to be seen as predominant.

    For different things, the different scopes are your biggest friends ... learning how to use them, and to trust them over your eyes in most cases ... takes time and practice.

    You can learn and work those things in Lumetri without the steps and time to get out of PrPro to Sg & back. And as you learn, you can test things to see if you want other color tools, whether say some Red Giant plugins for PrPro or what.

    For now, Lumetri has as much as you can use and learn.

    Neil

    Everyone's mileage always varies ...
      francoisr2934155
      francoisr2934155Author
      Participant
      May 31, 2017

      Again great advice Neil thank you..

      I was wondering how long it was going to take to correct things, like a photograph, apparently thats not something I need to think about..

      thank you again for your time to reply to my question..

      Francois

      R Neil Haugen
      R Neil HaugenCorrect answer
      Legend
      May 24, 2017

      As of the release of Premiere Pro CC2015.3 (the first 10.x build series release) the Direct Link process to SpeedGrade was discontinued. You can still download & install PrPro 2015.2 and the last Speedgrade, 201501, and work in Direct Link mode. As they are completely separate build series, you can have them installed and running alongside the newest 2017 release. You can't go from a 2017 project back to a 2015 program within "normal" working practices.

      If you're interested, on the SpeedGrade forum, if you look back, there are methods for working around this issue ... including a number of posts by myself.

      SpeedGrade

      Currently, the recent builds of PrPro are designed to work using either the color correction capabilities of the Lumetri panel or using an EDL/AAF/XML out-process to another app, whether SpeedGrade or Resolve or whatever.

      So ... what are your needs? How much grading do you need with your projects?

      Neil

      Everyone's mileage always varies ...
        francoisr2934155
        francoisr2934155Author
        Participant
        May 24, 2017

        Thanks you for your answer Neil, I was wondering what I did wrong.

        It's not that I need all of the ability to grade, I am just seeing what is possible. I am a photographer just sticking his foot into the waters of video to see what I can come up with; so colour is something I enjoy messing around with and blah blah blah insert long story..

        Again thank you for your answer, I would have kept working on the problem for hours. Now I can move on.. 

        R Neil Haugen
        R Neil Haugen
        Legend
        May 24, 2017

        I came into video post five years ago, having then had 35 years living as a professional portrait photographer (as is my wife). Now, it's 40 years of pro stills work, and five working the video side a bit also.

        When I first came into video, having had a custom full color lab for our portrait studio for many years as we were too picky for most of the pro portrait printing labs (those film days of yore ... ) ... I wanted to make it pretty. Always been far more interested in how my work looks than in doing the cutting & pasting that is most of the video post workflow. So ... I spent a lot of time and some lynda-dot-com subscription & cash for books in learning SpeedGrade.

        Having acquired a fairly decent ability to utilize that app, and in the slick fashion it worked with PrPro, I was one of the very disappointed ones at the decision to de-link PrPro & Sg. But then, they didn't call and ask my permission, for some reason. What a shock, right? 

        That said, I've developed some decent skills in using Lumetri within PrPro, and use it for nearly all my smaller work. There's still the larger job on occasion that I use the Ntown app discussed in the Sg forum to take my projects back into Sg, and return to 2017. Fewer these days though.

        Lumetri is very ... intently ... designed. The 'tools' or controls are processed strictly top down both within a tab and tab to tab. So if you've worked down through Basic, Creative, and Curves, then go back to alter something in the Basic, it may affect all the choices & settings in the other tabs you've used. Learn to use it ... and it really is very useful.

        It has a very good HSL "Secondary" keying and modifying section, though ... I wish it had the option for multiple HSL's, as I got used to using several on a lot of clips.

        And you can stack Lumetri both on a clip, and by using it on Adjustment layers above the media. The full UI panel is only available for the 'bottom' instance on a track ... either video or adjustment layer ... if you have multiple Lumetri on a track.Upper Lumetri on a track/clip need to be accessed via the Effects Control Panel ... so I moved that panel into my Lumetri section on the right side in the Color workspace and saved it ... speeds moving between Lumetri.

        I also highly recommend acquiring an external controller if you do spend much time a month in Lumetri. I'm using the Tangent Ripple and the full (and spendier) Elements panels, there's also the very modifiable "Palette" controls available. Being able to work multiple controls against each other in the Basic tab was a huge time-saver for me. And improved my output.

        Within the next couple days I'll have a blog post up showing with a split screen of two neutral graphics ... a ramped gradient black-to-white and a graphic with 15 evenly stepped blocks black to white ... which gives a beautiful demonstration in the scopes of what every tool does precisely.

        Neil

        Everyone's mileage always varies ...
          Terms & ConditionsAccessibility statement
          Using the community Terms of use Privacy Cookie preferences Do not sell or share my personal information ad choicesAdChoices