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November 20, 2024
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Transcript not showing up in sequence or matching back, even though it exists

  • November 20, 2024
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Premeire Productions

 

I have a sequence comprised of 6 multicam clips (synced cameras and audio).   The underlying production audio of those multicams (wave files) has been transcribed.   I can open each ave file in the soruce monitor and I see the transcript in the Text Panel.

 

But in my sequence, the sixth mulitcam has no transcript.   The transcript ends at the end of the 5th multicam.

 

If I match back, which loads multicam-6 into the source monitor I don't see any transcript.   If I reaveal the clip in the project and double click it to reload the clip into the source monitor the transcript suddenly appears.   

 

If I delete multicam-6 from my sequence and put it back in, the same behavior (no transcript) re-occurs.

 

What's going on?

17 replies

jamieclarke
Community Manager
Community Manager
November 26, 2024

Hi @Ovidius9000 - I see. Above you said you were on 24.5.0, depending on which version you started with there was a bug with Productions and multicam clips in previous versions that may have carried over into your project.  We always suggest using the latest version of Premiere Pro which is currently 25.0 and if not currently the Long Term Support version is 24.6.3

 

Yes you can "generate static transcript" and then select the dots again to "Generate Text-Based Editing Transcript", just to refresh the sequence.

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November 26, 2024

So you're saying I have to generate all transcripts two or three times?  Each time I put it in a sequence?

 

When I create a sequence with untranscribed clips it asks me to transcribe them.  Now you want me to transcribe again? and again twice?   So I have transcribed three times and haven't even begun to edit? 

 

Aren't I going to lose all the info I corrected in the underlying transcripts?    It all seems overly complicated.  Why not just have an "update transcript" button?

 

You seem to be saying that text-based editing doesn't work.  That  I cannot rely on Adobe keeping transcripts visible in a sequence.  Not only will it lose transcriptions, it aslo won't warn me when the transcript is omitting text?  It seems bonkers.

 

Maybe best to give up on it entirely and just use "static transcripts".  But then I have to fix all the typos and speaker names again.   The whole point of transcribing the underlying audio first is so that the use doesn't have to retranscribe things over and over again.

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November 26, 2024

Sorry if I sound frustrated, but I am.  Transcripts shouldn't be fluid and change at the whims of the application.  When something is transcribed, I expect it to stay transcribed.   Why it matters wheter it is an audio clip, a multicam, or in a sequence doesn't make any sense to me at all.   

Known Participant
November 26, 2024

I give up, Jamie.  I delted my project and rage quit my job.

 

Thanks Premiere!

Known Participant
November 26, 2024

Jamie, I'm still confused by what you are saying.  Normally if I assemble transcribed clips into a sequence, the sequence will now have a transcript.  That is almost the main point of "text based editing".   If I assemble a sequence of NON-transcribed sequences, it will ask to me to transcribe the underlying clips.

 

I can "generate static transcript", which I don't want to do.  There is no "generate text-based editing transcript".   I feel like you're using a different version of Premiere than I am.  I'm on v24.6.1

 

For the last time, the clips are transribed, the clips are transcribed, the clisp are transcribed.

 

I can create a NEW SEQUENCE and put the clips in the sequence and there is NO TRANSCRIPT.

 

Honestly, Premiere is just too much of a mess.   Who has time for this crap?

jamieclarke
Community Manager
Community Manager
November 26, 2024

Hi @Ovidius9000 - A great explanation is on page 70 of the Longform and Episodic Workflow Guide

 

You say "The multicam will show a transcript, but the sequence won't."

What happens when you select your timeline, click the three dots in the Text panel, and choose Generate Text-Based Editing Transcript?

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November 26, 2024

Regardless of how I have it organized, I still don't understand what you mean whe you write "I believe the issue is that your multicam clip has a media reference causing the transcription to revert"?  Rever to what?

 

And you go on to say " After you started editing with the multicam clip…".  To my way of thinking I haven't started editing with the multicam.   I can create a new sequence with just the one multicam in it.  The multicam will show a transcript, but the sequence won't.

I am not saying you are wrong about the consolidating duplicates, reassociating files, yaddd yadda yaddd.  But why can't I just select a sequence and have a function like "reconnect all transcripts".  The multicams clearly have transcripts attached (I see them when I load into the source monitor).  You keep saying something about it not "referencing" the right multicam, but I don't understand what you mean. I find the multicam by matching back from the sequence.  How can the sequence know where the mulitcam lives yet not be able to find the transcript attached to that multicam?

 

The larger issue here that makes Premiere transcrips very frustrating to work worth is there is no permanence.   I can imagine eventualy I will have to "re-transcribe" the sources and then lose all the corrections I made.

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November 26, 2024

Project A - Master clips, master audio, multicams

Project B - Dailies and Selects sequences

Project C - Edited sequences.

 

jamieclarke
Community Manager
Community Manager
November 26, 2024

Hi @Ovidius9000 - I don't think I am following how your project is setup.  In the previous post you say "the mutlicam is in the same project as the master clips." but in the next post you say "The multicams and camera original are in one project, and the dailies sequences and other breakdowns (so only sequences) are in a separate project"

 

To answer your two questions transcription will work across all projects even in Productions.

 

I believe the issue is that your multicam clip has a media reference causing the transcription to revert. It seems that, before creating the multicam clip, one of the source clips wasn’t transcribed. After you started editing with the multicam clip, that source clip was transcribed, which likely updated the reference in your multicam clip and caused the transcription to change.

 

Can you email me the project at jamiec@adobe.com

 

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November 26, 2024

To clarify something.  One thing I tried was dragging the multicam clip (that shows a transcript when I load it into source-montior) into an empty sequence.   It doesn't show a transcript once in the sequence.   

My question to you is, how is that possible?  How can I fix it?

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November 26, 2024

Jamie, my dailies ARE separated.  That is the sequence we are discussing.  A dailies sequence of multicams.  The multicams and camera original are in one project, and the dailies sequences and other breakdowns (so only sequences) are in a separate project.   I was told that generally keeping sequences in separate projects from underlying clips was the best way to work. 

However, I will note that I did not set up this project.  But I have created some of the mutlicams in question.

Are you sayin either of these things?

1) The transcipts will only work if the multicams are in the same project as the sequences?
OR
2) Transcripts will work better if multicams are in a separat project from camer original files?

jamieclarke
Community Manager
Community Manager
November 26, 2024

Hi @Ovidius9000 -  In most cases, users working in a Premiere Production separate their dailies from their sequences. This approach keeps projects lighter, enables faster loading times, and prevents the creation of duplicate media when reusing assets. However, it doesn’t sound like your setup follows this structure. Could you provide more details about how your Production is organized? This will help me better understand your workflow.