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September 23, 2019
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Which monitor will work well with Premiere?

  • September 23, 2019
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Hello,

 

I am choosing between the Acer XB273k 27in 144hz 4K monitor which has DCI-P3, 107% sRGB, 73% Adobe RGB, and Delta E. and the Asus ROG Swift PG279Q 27in 165hz 1440p which is 107% sRGB and 73% Adobe RGB

I will use it for video editing.

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    R Neil Haugen
    Legend
    September 23, 2019

    Rec.709 is THE standard for video media, Premiere is built around being used on a system with a monitor set for Rec.709 standards. Pretty crucial.

     

    Rec.709 works within the sRGB color primaries.

     

    deltaE on a profile, is a measurement of how great a deviance from a certain point exists. For video post work, a deltaE of 2.3 or below is considered visually below noticing.

     

    Neil

    Everyone's mileage always varies ...
    R Neil Haugen
    Legend
    September 23, 2019

    The vast majority of video media is going to be shown according to broadcast standards, still the primary "system" for nearly all streamed, broadcast, and web material.


    Those standards are video sRGB/Rec.709/gamma-2.4/100 nits brightness. For web work, some advise using a gamma-2.2 monitor setting.


    The only use of P3 color space in video is in the two profesional theatrical release spaces, both designed for "dark room" black-wall viewing spaces. They use a gamma of 2.6, the P3 space, and two slightly different white point settings, as well as a rather limited brightness.


    HDR will use the Rec.2020 color space. Viewing monitors should be at least 600 nits, realistically, and production monitors well above 1,000. Of the colorists I know doing HDR, they are working with monitors that are above 3,000 nits. Also above $30,000.


    For the next few years, most web work will be mostly still in Rec.709, partly as it's so bloody expensive to have kit that can do production for HDR! So I'd keep the focus on SDR, with Rec.709 as the standard.


    The BenQ monitor I have is around $1,000, and handles that quite well *for web work* after a tight series of calibrations followed by creating profiles to check the calibration. Prior to getting that monitor, I used a Dell U2312HM, and again, carefullly calibrated in i1 Pro and then used the free version of Lightspace to link to Resolve and run a profile to get those charts to show me what the actual screen measurements were. That does require having the $300 version of Resolve I think.


    That Dell monitor was around $400 I think a number of years back. And after calibration, it was able to give me a ... decent ... web-use video quality. Not nearly as tight in numbers and profile chart as this BenQ. Which is both a much more expensive and newer monitor, of course.


    Using for gaming of course complicates things. There, the high refresh rate and even hitting some percentage of P3 may be very attractive. The question then becomes can you change ... modes? ... or something on the monitor along with the OS ICC profile in use to better support gaming at one point, and video work at another. Some monitors are not able to do that at least easily. Some, like this BenQ, have 'dongles' with buttons to change the setting used by the monitor. That coupled with an ICC change in the OS should work.

     

    There are other monitors from other companies that also have the ability to easily and quickly set different "spaces" on the monitor, and to change spaces. Maybe the ones you referenced do.

     

    And ... very important! ... for any video production, TURN OFF all power-saving, gaming-assistaning, shadow-changing, EVERYTHING 'auto-we-make-it-better!) on the monitor.

     

    Neil

    Everyone's mileage always varies ...
    Yoshiii1Author
    Participant
    September 23, 2019

    Thank you.

    How important is it to have Rec.079? What if it has the sRGB and the Delta E?

    R Neil Haugen
    Legend
    September 23, 2019

    First you neither want nor need 144hz refresh for video, preferably you would have choices either at or double the frame rate of your media.

     

    Second, you don't need P3, you need a bit of over-coverage of the sRGB space, as after calibration you will be under full coverage if the monitor is less than at least 105% of a space, maybe even then. This in testing is just over 100% sRGB.

     

    I'm running for "confidence" a BenQ PD2720U thatis stated as having over-coverage for sRGB and also P3 and HDR capable.

     

    Right.

     

    It covers 96% of P3 outta the box. Would need at least 108% to 110% to cover it after calibration so forget the P3 work. Well, the only P3 work anyway is theatrical release DCPs, I don't think you do anymore of than i do!

     

    As to HDR, that BenQ can hit about 358 nits at brightest settings completely out of any calibration. After sRGB calibration it's a bit below 300 nits. And like that Acer, that's nowhere near the minimum 600 to 1000 nits to actually do work in HDR.

     

    Another issue is to do HDR with Premiere you need (for pc) the Kona 4 or 5 PCIe card, with an HDMI cable from that to the monitor, add near a couple grand to the cost.

     

    My BenQ PD2720U *after* calibration with the i1 Display Pro puck/software and then profiled by Lightspace connected to Resolve gives graphs that are quite useful for web work. Near perfect shape to the 2.4 gamma for all three R, G, and B values, spot on D65 white point at 100 nits, and a deltaE with one narrow spike of R up to 2.8 at the 0.5 mark deep in the shadows, and every other value below 2.0. 2.3 is the important "visible threshold".

     

    So I'm comfortable with this for web work. And I set the refresh rate according to the sequence settings and this monitor has refresh rates for nearly all standard video framerates.

     

    I would suggest that your main criteria should be over-coverage of sRGB, refresh rates equivalent to media framerates, and accuracy across the  screen. (I had to send the first BenQ back as a corner varied notably.)

     

    Neil

    Everyone's mileage always varies ...
    Yoshiii1Author
    Participant
    September 23, 2019

    Hello thank you for your reply, I understand the part of what you are explaining, I am still learning, but I think I understand.   So I need a desktop and expensive monitor for this? 

    I am looking to edit videos for YouTube and maybe some other things.  I am working from a laptop right now.  The monitor I am will buy will be multi use, for graphic design, 3D design and rendering and video editing, and some gaming.  Will one of the two monitors listed above be fine for that?

     

    I did research on monitors for what I want to do but all the search results for monitor for this year always list monitors with sRGB, Adobe RGB, and for ones specially for video editing they mention DCI-P3, Rec.079, and sRGB. Some monitors have all some only a couple.