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Why is it so hard to retouch video in premiere pro?

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March 19, 2022
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I am a still photographer that is getting into video. I cannot understand why it is so incredibly tedious to retouch video in premiere pro. I am quite surprised that there is not a panel with all the sliders laid out, as their is in lightroom in the develop module. Further, why does Adobe not bring all of the sliders from ligthroom into premiere pro?! I am now often shooting video and stills in the same moments, and am finding it very hard to match video footage to stills when the stills were editing with lightroom sliders such as dehaze that do not appear to exist in premiere pro! Thanks in advance for your help.

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Correct answer R Neil Haugen

And thought I'd better add something here. I came out of stills, if you note my bio. Long time pro studio photographer, first used Photoshop with a scanner in the late 90's, used Lightroom from public beta 0.8. Been there done that, been nearly a decade in video post now.

My basic advice to anyone coming from stills: get over the tools of stills when working with video, just ... do it. Lose all you assumptions, the faster the better.

Why?

Think about it. Photoshop and Lightroom are both built to handle one image at a time. Yea, they can do batches sure, but that's still, what, at most 100 images?

In video, we have at the very least 24 images per second for the system to create. Four seconds is past that batch in Photoshop ... and oh, we didn't want to wait a minute for the batch to be processed, we wanted them all processed immediately, right?

Not at all the same thing, not even close. The tools are different because the entire system, the process, the processing, is different. And it has to be to work at all.

Neil

Warren Heaton

Community Expert

When it comes to doing a beauty pass for video, it's been done for so long and so well in After Effects that I am not sure how much of a demand there has been for native tools in Premiere Pro. Of course, there is the need and there are some great third-party tools that work in both Premiere Pro and After Effects like Digital Anarchy Beauty Box (https://digitalanarchy.com/beautyVID/main.html) and BorisFX Beauty Studio (https://borisfx.com/products/continuum-filters/beauty-studio-filter-in-continuum/?collection=continuum-premium-filters&product=continuum-filter-beauty-studio). A trial version of each one is available. I suggest giving each a try.

- Warren

Richard van den Boogaard

Community Expert

Retouching video is called color correction/grading.

The main difference between photography and video/film is that a photograph is just that, a still image frozen in a particular point in time. With video/film you have 24/25 frames per second with light conditions changing as the camera and/or subject moves.

You can do general color correction and be done with it, or spend hours on a single clip adjusting various parts of the moving images with primaries, secondaries and tracking shots (what we typically call color grading). It's all up to you how far you wish (or need) to take this process.

Like others have suggested, remember some of the basic knowledge, but also accept that there will be differences in how you approach things. Lumetri Color will never be entirely the same as Lightroom or Photoshop, because of the nature of the beast.

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Andy 1968

Inspiring

Richard,

The Lumetri Color Panel can be revamped and made much better.

Peru Bob

Community Expert

The Lumetri Color Panel can be revamped and made much better.

By @Andy 1968

I suppose future updates will likely address that.

R Neil HaugenCorrect answer

Legend

And thought I'd better add something here. I came out of stills, if you note my bio. Long time pro studio photographer, first used Photoshop with a scanner in the late 90's, used Lightroom from public beta 0.8. Been there done that, been nearly a decade in video post now.

My basic advice to anyone coming from stills: get over the tools of stills when working with video, just ... do it. Lose all you assumptions, the faster the better.

Why?

Think about it. Photoshop and Lightroom are both built to handle one image at a time. Yea, they can do batches sure, but that's still, what, at most 100 images?

In video, we have at the very least 24 images per second for the system to create. Four seconds is past that batch in Photoshop ... and oh, we didn't want to wait a minute for the batch to be processed, we wanted them all processed immediately, right?

Not at all the same thing, not even close. The tools are different because the entire system, the process, the processing, is different. And it has to be to work at all.

Neil

Everyone's mileage always varies ...

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Andy 1968

Inspiring

Neil,

CPUs and GPU sre getting faster. Camera RAW photos at 12 bit 4:4:4 color space will take longer to process than an 8 bit JPEG. 10 bit video is harder to process than 8 bit video. In 2022 photo and video software can take advantage of the GPU and CPU. Just think about of Nvidia's realtime Raytracing not to mention Nvenc and Quick Sync. Who know what the future holds?

R Neil Haugen

Legend

Andy,

Been there, done that. Every time the hardware is "upped" the media is also made more 'dense' and demanding. That is NOT going to change. If anything, the camera makers are pushing the media demands faster than the computer hardware is moving to actually process the stuff.

Neil

Everyone's mileage always varies ...

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Andy 1968

Inspiring

I agree it would be awesome if Premiere Pro had all the filters of Photoshop. That being said Premiere Pro is supposed to be getting a whole new Color Correction systems soon. The Lumetri Color Panel is not that great. It looks like it was designed by Fisher Price when compared to the competition and it uses more system resources than the old color correction filters. I would like to think once a year Premiere Pro would get one new filter and one new transition. Every three months 5 or 6 transitions and filters should get GPU acceleration. Why should we have to request all the transitions and filters get GPU acceleration? That should have been done six years ago regardless if anyone requested it. Adobe needs to start bringing their A-Game ASAP. It is 2022.

chrisw44157881

Inspiring

@Andy 1968 im curious, besides the gui look, what features are you talking about?

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Andy 1968

Inspiring

I do not like the fact that all the Lumetri effects are stacked together and you cannot arrange the order. The 3 way color corrector does not have independent saturation controls for each color correction wheel. Don't get me wrong there are some cool filters but the fact that we cannot arrange them ourselves is a big drag. The Lumetri effects also use more system resources.

chrisw44157881

Inspiring

use premiere's cineon converter effect to dehaze. its 32bpc.

cineon log to log

218

0

1023

1

gamma 5

0

then add a lumetri effect to clean it up

contrast 90

shadows 100

blacks -44

if you have photoshop, its camera raw has the same haze removal effect. create a smart object for the video in it.

R Neil Haugen

Legend

Have you used the Color workspace, that has the Lumetri panel laid out? Doesn't sound like it ...the original 'look' to that was taken from Lightroom.

You might check out the workspaces they include. They're all there because they help you do specific things with all the needed panels out, like sound, graphics/captions, color, metalogging ...

Neil

Everyone's mileage always varies ...

R

RobShultz

Community Expert

Unfortunately not all features are going to be available on all apps. Otherwise we would have one massive app to do everything. I know that Photoshop works with video and perhaps some of the tools that you are mentioning could help there. I'm not a Photoshop guru so I don't know if dehaze is available in Photoshop.

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