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Luftar Von Rama
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April 22, 2020
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Productions Bugs and Suggestions

  • April 22, 2020
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I spent a good deal of time trying to migrate a big documentary project into a production. Here are my findings on bugs and improvements needed for productions.

 

1. Reassociate clips don't always work, even when the same clip has all of the same exact metadata. The clip remains in the project you don't want it in. We need to have a media tool, a page just like in Avid where you see all of the clips associated with that Production/Project. Perhaps give each piece of media a unique ID that we can see in the metadata fields.

 

2. If you move a clip that's used from one project into another, the video and usage shows the correct usage in the original project but then the usage disappears when moved to the new project. Then if you consolidate duplicates, it removes the clip that was moved from the original project. When you go to a sequence and match back in the original project, you get an error saying that clip is no longer in the project. This happens on clips that don't reassociate properly.

 

3. When you move a clip to another project, it requires two undos to get that clip back to the original project.

 

4. Any media moved into another project should be automatically associate that clip with the new project. Either make this default or give this as an option.

 

5. We need to be able to open a Production on the Welcome page. Having to go to file, open production makes it feel like you don't really want people to use productions where it should really be the standard.

 

6. Search Bins have been rendered useless in a production because they are project based. You want to be able to access all of the media you need when searching because the media will be filtered into a different project. Because if I wanted to set up my projects to have a Dailies bin and then a scene bin, the scene bin would need to have duplicate clips. To solve that I think below...

 

7. We need to be able to clone a clip into other projects. This functionality will keep the master clip associated with the original project but give you the ability to move clips into other projects without actually duplicating the media.

 

8. Lastly, the Merge Clip, Multi Camera source sequence worfklows need to be combined. We need one simple way to sync without all the different terms and limitations. Also make Merged clips to be able to be opened in a sequence and slipped.

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    Correct answer mattchristensen

    Hi,

    I have the same problem - a remote editor created a project and when I import it into my production I'm getting dozens of duplicate clips. I would like to reassociate those clips with the media projects that I've created. But reassociate clips doesn't work.

     

    I tried the workaround you recommended but it didn't work, and I don't think I fully understand it. We should drag a master clip from the project we want to keep into the root level of the project we want to clean up, and then drag it back again? (This didn't work for me; am I missing the step where we actually use the reassociate clip command?) Where does the empty folder come in? Can you please explain with more detail?

    I am using PP v 23.0.0 build 63 on a macbook pro M1.

     

    Thanks.


    @jeneva If your remote editor's project was never a part of your production, that explains what you are seeing. Sending projects back and forth and not having duplicates will only work if you build a production and then duplicate it to the remote editor, and then you are both working from the same original set of master clips. Otherwise you'll get what you are seeing – to Premiere Pro those are separate master clips.

     

    One thing you could try is Edit  > Consolidate Duplicates. This is a command that runs on the active project only, and looks for master clips that are duplicates. It will keep the one that is "most organized", meaning most deeply nested in a folder and remove any others, and update any sequences to point to the clip that is left behind. That may help you clean up here, but it also may not. If there are significant differences to the clips, like different marker sets, different clip names, etc, it will not consolidate them.

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    R Neil Haugen
    R Neil Haugen
    Legend
    April 22, 2020

    VonRama,

     

    I particularly like your suggestion number 5 ... it seems so odd to open a project within a production to get to the production itself...

     

    Neil

    Everyone's mileage always varies ...
      andymees@aje
      andymees@aje
      Legend
      May 9, 2020

      Whilst obviously a by-product of my just having converted a project to a production, I was somewhat suprised to see that my Open Project / Welcome page 'Recents' list was basically hosed, at it now listed every new saved 'project' within my production as a discreet item in the list ie Day 1, Day 2 Day3 etc rather than showing my recent 'Production' as a singular item together with older/other recent 'Projects' ie those that exist outside of a Production. 

       

      It may not be viable, and I should probably suck it and see for while before suggesting it, but an option to limit the Recents menu as such might be useful.

      R Neil Haugen
      R Neil Haugen
      Legend
      May 9, 2020

      On starting Premiere I ignore the start list of recent projects and just go to file/open production.

       

      Neil

      Everyone's mileage always varies ...
      mattchristensen
      Community Manager
      mattchristensenCommunity Manager
      Community Manager
      April 22, 2020

      Thank you for giving Productions a try, and thanks also for your thorough write up. I'll make sure your feedback gets back to the team. I have some follow up on some of your points that could help clarify things for us:

       

      1. Could you give a more specific example (or a production without media for us to look at) where reassociate isn't working? The Reassociate command is designed for situations where clips in a timeline were linking to master clips in a project and the master clips have been moved while the timeline was closed. It's not intended to to be a regular part of a workflow, but more of a tool to fix things up if they were moved. Knowing more about how you're trying to use and what it's not doing will be helpful.

       

      4. This does happen, if the project containng the sequence where those clips are used is open. The links across projects will update. If the clips that are being moved are in a timeline that is in a project that is not open, there's not much we can do there.

       

      7. You can duplicate media into other projects if you want to have two copies of it. I'm guessing that your ask for a "clone" would somehow link the two master clips? That seems to be fighting against the point of using a Production – you want there to be only one copy of a master clip. It can be used in any number of sequences, but there's only one master clip in a bin. Could you elaborate a bit more on why you'd want to clone a master clip and what the properties of a clone might have that are different from just duplicating it?

       

      8. We totally hear you on the pain points with Merge Clips / Multi-Cams. 

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        Luftar Von RamaAuthor
        Known Participant
        April 23, 2020

        I've attached a video showcasing the reassociation Bug and the associated production via the google drive link.

         

        https://drive.google.com/open?id=1wq83U718k79GLW8R5EjmA4qYyEckuse4

         

        mattchristensen
        Community Manager
        mattchristensenCommunity Manager
        Community Manager
        April 24, 2020

        Thank you so much for the video and sending the production – I was able to get to the bottom of what's happening. The short and simple version is what you're seeing is indeed a bug. We're hoping to get it fixed soon. I also just wanted to share that when breaking apart an existing project into a production, it's best to add the project to the production (like you did) and then just move the master clips to new projects. There's no need to duplicate them and use the Reassociate command. I don't mean to suggest that to excuse the bug, just a tip for the future.

         

        I also have an easy workaround for you. Open both projects like you have set up in your video, then drag the master clip from the organized project back into the original project, making sure to drag it to the root level of the original project. Then, just drag it right back to the organized project. After doing that, you'll be able to delete the empty folder, and your Reveal In Project command from the timeline will still work, taking you to the organized project.

         

        Thanks,

        Matt

         

         

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