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March 14, 2022
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Thumbnail options in RoboHelp 2020

  • March 14, 2022
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I just upgraded my projects to RH 2020 Update 6. Using RH 2019, I had set up my images to display as thumbnails in my Responsive HTML5 output (Indigo layout). For each image, RH generated a separate _th file that it displayed as the thumbnail.

 

With RH 2020, there are two thumbnail options in the preset: Create Thumbnails for Images and Style Existing Images as Thumbnails. I have generated the output both ways and I don't see any difference. I expected "Create Thumbnails for Images" to generate the duplicate _th files as in RH 2019, but I don't find any such files in output folders. I can't image what it means by using "style" as a verb here. And yet either way, it works.

 

What is the difference between these two options and why would I choose one over the other? I did look this up in the RoboHelp user guide, but it just explains them using the same words that are on the screen. 

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    Community Expert
    March 17, 2022

    If your project was previously on a network drive and you were generating to a network drive, that could definitely lead to issues. The specific network setup and your connection to it can cause slowness and also micro-interruptions, which could mean files aren't generated to the right place (or aren't saved or only a partial file is saved). Additionally, network paths frequently can be extremely long, and long paths also prevent files saving - this is a Windows limitation, not an RH issue.

     

    I personally always keep my project on my C drive and in a folder right off C, not inside the Documents folder. This prevents network issues and long path issues. If I need my output on a network location, I set up a publishing destination and use that to copy the output to the required place - there's much less chance of something going wrong when the only thing happening is copying files, and I believe the technology is designed to handle network dropouts better. (To back up my source files, I manually zip the entire project folder and copy the zip to a network location. )

     

     

    Known Participant
    March 17, 2022

    I love all this detective work! You guys are great!

    I was able to create a project on C:. It didn't make any difference in the thumbnail situation, but generating output is now a bazillion times faster, so that's a win. Plus for some reason, moving the project to C: solved my disappearing index problem (which I hadn't even brought up yet on this forum :).

    I wondered whether the problem was with the skin (even though I've tried this with several fresh copies of Studio), so I created a new frameless preset and generated output using the Orange skin. I made sure to select Create Thumbnails for Images in the preset. Same result---no _th.png files in the output folder. This is the relevant code I see in the topic:

    class="popup-image-thumbnail" src="../../assets/images/Login_screen.png" title="Log In Screen" data-rhwidget="Basic" data-popupimage="../../assets/images/Login_screen.png" width="613"

    The first path looks like a hyperlink (blue and underlined). I also notice that when I use the Orange skin, the "X" button to close the pop-up looks right, unlike the problem I mentioned above with the "X" button and Studio.

    Peter Grainge
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    March 17, 2022

    The longer the path, the longer it takes to get down it. 🙂

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    Peter Grainge
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    March 17, 2022

    @Amebr You might be on to something there. When testing this I did find I couldn't see an _th image and thought maybe I was looking in the wrong place. Then I generated with both options and used Beyond Compare to find the difference to ascertain where I should be looking.

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    Community Expert
    March 16, 2022

    Okay, random suggestion time. I was seeing the same problem with RH2019 just then. In the preset I selected a different skin and regenerated. And then I could see the _th suffix in the code. Changing back to the original skin now generates the _th suffixed images as expected. Maybe that will work for you as well. 🙂

    Peter Grainge
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    March 16, 2022

    This issue seems to be just you, that's what I am struggling with. It works for me.

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    March 16, 2022

    Yes, \images was just shorthand for the full path. I did search for the _th.png files and nothing turned up. (I did see them once in the output \images subfolder, but I think I overwrote that subfolder in a subsequent test and they never came back.) For me, the two thumbnail options seem to be behaving the same way.

     

    I just can't imagine that everyone is having this many problems with the Frameless layout (I haven't even posted about all of the issues I've run into because you've already spent so much time trying to help!). 

    Known Participant
    March 16, 2022

    I appreciate all the suggestions, I really do. The issue is not corporate content, which I could easily eliminate; I'm pretty sure any external upload site will be blocked on my end. (I've been down this road before.)

     

    I just discovered that Update 7 is available for me now, so I'm going to install that in the next day or so. Maybe if I start over, some of these issues will just go away. 

    Peter Grainge
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    March 16, 2022

    I'm doubtful but applying the update will prove it one way or the other.

     

    Try using a search tool or the search within File Explorer to search for *_th.png. They have to be there. I notice you said Outputs > Images rather than Outputs > Output folder > assets > images. I think that was just shorthand though.

     

    Have you tried wetransfer.com as that seems to get through most corporate filewalls? If push comes to shove in your efforts I'm sure IT could help.

     

    Meantime though, I'm stuck in helping you further.

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    Community Expert
    March 15, 2022

    Perhaps you're running into network or path length problems. 

     

    Can you create a test project somewhere like c:\test\project and generate to c:\test\output to rule out both network issues and path length?

    Peter Grainge
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    March 16, 2022

    I am advised

     

    • In the first case, page will load faster because browser doesn’t have to download the bigger image.
    • In the second case thumbnail image quality might be better because the original image itself is being used.

     

    Please check if your manager will allow a new project with no corporate content to be sent. Preparing that might result in a different behaviour that you can investigate and if not then I have something to look at.

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    March 15, 2022

    Still getting the same results in a new project with one topic and one thumbnail, using a fresh Studio skin.

     

    As much as I would love to send you my source files and see if you can figure out what's going on, I'm afraid my employer doesn't allow me to do that. I have SO many issues with RH 2020 that I might have to call Adobe Customer Support directly and hope they can walk me through some things. 

     

    Thanks so much for all the time you've spent helping me with this!

    Peter Grainge
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    March 15, 2022

    I said create a new project. A new project only contains First Topic and then you add any image. You only use the default.css in this project. I don't get why you can't share that as it has none of your live project in it.

     

    Did you perhaps use some of your live project stuff in it? That's not what I wanted you to do as it that could be where the issue is.

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    March 15, 2022

    Fresh copy of Studio skin, generated to a new output folder. Same result (missing "X").

    I selected "Create Thumbnails for Images" and I don't get any _th files in the output \images folder. 

    I've tried this with two different projects and I get the same results. 

    The upgrade to RH 2020 and my attempts to produce Frameless output that functions correctly are beyond frustrating.

    Peter Grainge
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    March 15, 2022

    Please try a simple test in a brand new project. If that fails then see the Contact page on my site and send the project as instructed there. Do make sure you include a link to this thread and please do not email the project direct.

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