Hebrew fonts?

>Also very interesting that Hadasa that was based on an Ashkenazic sefer torah has teamim that was inspired by Sephardic calligraphy. I meeting of the edot!
>I didn't say this, Raphael. Don't make fun of the works of masters, like Friedlander or Hudson. I am sure G-d put them in this world to do what they did, that others couldn't do.
>I said Romm's Vilna is Sephardic, and Koren's is Ashkenazic, even though ironically Lithuania is primarily Ashkenazic, and modern Israel is primarily Sephardic.
>I added that Hudson's Adobe Hebrew is influenced by Sephardic calligraphy, somewhat like Friedlander's Hadasa is rooted in Romm's Vilna, which is also based upon an ancient Sephardic tradition.

Sorry, I misunderstood what you wrote.

>No, he's not Jewish. He is Catholic. So was Bomberg, and he made the first Shas. He was priest, too.

Exactly. Dont you think thats a little strange. I mean, nothing against priests and all, but I hardly think Bomberg did Daf Yomi. Not that you have to do daf yomi to typeset a shas, but still, I bet if he did, there would be tens of thousands of Jews who would have appreciated it.

>Did he study teamey mikra? Actually, yes. He knows the laws of leining better than you me and Mr. Koren put together.

Really? how on earth do you know what I know and what Mr Koren knew about leyning? Isnt that just a little presumtious of you? Does he have a doctorate in trop? Was he a gabai in a shul for 10 years? Come on, lets not jump to conclusions here.

>I didn't choose him to create taamim for Hadasa. He "begged" me to do it for free, because he loves Hadasa.

Okay. Still would love to see a sample.

Also very interesting that Hadasa that was based on an Ashkenazic sefer torah has teamim that was inspired by Sephardic calligraphy. I meeting of the edot!

I didn't say this, Raphael. Don't make fun of the works of masters, like Friedlander or Hudson. I am sure G-d put them in this world to do what they did, that others couldn't do.

I said Romm's Vilna is Sephardic, and Koren's is Ashkenazic, even though ironically Lithuania is primarily Ashkenazic, and modern Israel is primarily Sephardic.

I added that Hudson's Adobe Hebrew is influenced by Sephardic calligraphy, somewhat like Friedlander's Hadasa is rooted in Romm's Vilna, which is also based upon an ancient Sephardic tradition.

>You are agreeing with me that Friedlander didnt create trop and possibly not even nikud. So why are we talking about him?
>I thought that we were speaking about not only taamei mikra but also type design. Hence, the Hadasa divurgance.
>I mentioned a couple of designers that did create trop and you countered me with Hadasa which seems by your own admission to be irrelevant.

I did not bring up Hadasa, you did. But I do love the font.

>No, Hadasa is relevent, as likely more people in the world lrearn Tanach in Hadasa than in Koren. Sorry, Raphael.

Not sure if that is true. The best selling Tanakh in Israel is the Koren Tanakh and all its competitors recognise this which is why they set their tanakhim in Keren. Apart from that, I would say that probably Vilna is the most popular. Yes Artscroll do sell a lot of Tanakhim, but I suspect that people actually learning Tanakh (and not Humash), are probably using Koren because its accuracy of the text which has been widely accepted (yes a little free marketing here :-) )

Okay, so now you are saying that Hudson created the trop. Great. Out of curiousity does he leyn?

No, he's not Jewish. He is Catholic. So was Bomberg, and he made the first Shas. He was priest, too.

Did he study teamey mikra?

Actually, yes. He knows the laws of leining better than you me and Mr. Koren put together.

I just ask because I think its interesting that you chose him to create this.

I didn't choose him to create taamim for Hadasa. He "begged" me to do it for free, because he loves Hadasa.

You are agreeing with me that Friedlander didnt create trop and possibly not even nikud. So why are we talking about him?

I thought that we were speaking about not only taamei mikra but also type design. Hence, the Hadasa divurgance.

I mentioned a couple of designers that did create trop and you countered me with Hadasa which seems by your own admission to be irrelevant.

No, Hadasa is relevent, as likely more people in the world lrearn Tanach in Hadasa than in Koren. Sorry, Raphael.

I dont see why we are degrading Narkiss in this conversation.

I am not degrading him. He's a great type designer. I'm just noting that his designs are not original. Like it says in Pirkei Avot, he's lacking the quality to cite his sources. To me, this is incorrect.

When I spoke to John Hudson about his Adobe Hebrew design, and noted that it was heavily influenced by Hadasa, he spoke openly about the influences.

In great type designs by true masters, it is not degrading to be influenced by predecesors. Only an arrogant person, too full of his or her own talents, can not acknowledge that they were inspired and who that inspiration is.

The history of early British and American type design is based upon this. Why should a talented type design in Israel be different?

Okay so lets get this straight. You are agreeing with me that Friedlander didnt create trop and possibly not even nikud. So why are we talking about him? I mentioned a couple of designers that did create trop and you countered me with Hadasa which seems by your own admission to be irrelevant.

Okay, so now you are saying that Hudson created the trop. Great. Out of curiousity does he leyn? Did he study teamey mikra? I just ask because I think its interesting that you chose him to create this.

Also very interesting that Hadasa that was based on an Ashkenazic sefer torah has teamim that was inspired by Sephardic calligraphy. I meeting of the edot!

Anyway, I would love to see a pdf of the result, you can e-mail me at raphael at korenpub dott com.

So you are saying Kivun bought their Vilna from Guttman. I thought he was much better than that. You just caused my high regard for him to be lowered. My Vilna is an exact replica of Mr. Romm's based upon an ancient manuscript. Kivun or Guttman's Vilna is just another modern version. And the modern publishers, like Oz V'Hadar. Mr. Romm is likely turning over in his grave.

But [Friedlander] didnt design trop.

John Hudson studied the Hadasa design carefully. He loves the design. His Adobe Hebrew design was created by him using the Hadsaa design as one of his basic inspirations. The other inspirations were based upon ancient Sephardic manuscripts, which contain designs he adored. When my Henri (Hadasa) lacked taamim etc. he insisted that he himself will draw them by studying the Hadasa design carefully.

By the way, you might know this already, Hadasa was originally to be a face carved in stone, not a typeface. After it became popular nikkud was added, and it became a film based type design for first generation typesetting computer-based machine.

I don't even know if Friedlander drew the nikkud!