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November 6, 2009
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A Death of the Family

  • November 6, 2009
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Once upon a Time the Adobe Photoshop Forum was a community.  A lot like a family.  There were members who participated daily for a decade or more. Friends. Friends who are now gone, thanks to Jive ware.

A great many of us met one another face-to-face.  Even more have talked on the phone.  We celebrated births of children, new houses, new jobs.  We commiserated over lost jobs, broken marriages, deaths.  We kept up with one another's birthdays.  We had a round robin Christmas card exchange.  Our community, though online, was a real community with daily exchanges, dear friends, like family.  Now gone.  Like a death of the family.

We shared vibrant, energized discussions of how to improve one’s skills using Photoshop.  What one person does not know, another does.  Or did.  The knowledge shared on the Photoshop forum of this day is dismal in comparison.

I personally have owned Dreamweaver about as long as I have owned Photoshop, 11 years or so.  In the beginning I tried visiting the Dreamweaver (Macromedia) forums.  They were cold, devoid of friendship, and uninviting.  No reason to go back there.  I'm not surprised a spirit of community never developed there.  I learned how to use Dreamweaver via the Adobe Photoshop forum.

Now, we old-timers, faithful Adobe customers, are being told that we should put on a happy face and learn to love Jive ware.  We are being told our discontent is the only problem. That this is the only forum that HAS a problem. This forum,  Forum Comments,  where complaints / suggestions on how to improve things  are supposed to be lodged.

We know better.  Jive ware sucks.  It has killed our community and we are supposed to learn to love it.

Also, we are being told there were numerous complaints voiced about recently banned members.

Funny thing about that.  Where are all those numerous complaints?  Perhaps that means there is another forum where these complaints were lodged?  One we, Adobe's customers are not allowed access to?  Or perhaps these complainers managed to e-mail Adobe employees?  Those same employees whose e-mail addresses are not available?

Somehow that does not have a ring of truth.

Or perhaps all these numerous complaints were lodged by one moderator?  That might make sense, if any of this makes sense.

We are told we should ask members why they were banned.  Of course since they are banned, that won't be easy will it?  That is, of course, assuming they have been told.

I must admit that while I am sorely disappointed, I am not surprised with the way Adobe has in the past and now continues to handle one member's complaints about another.

The Adobe way is to take one for a member's complaint about another and ban the accused, without so much as making the effort to contact the accused to find out their side of things.  No matter how serious the charges or how serious the repercussions to the person who has been banned.  No matter if there is not a single word of truth in the accusations.

That sucks even more than Jive ware.

Clearly our former community is of no importance to Adobe. Sorry, I cannot put on a Happy Face.

Paz

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    November 12, 2009

    I think that the lounge is set to auto purge and delete anything over 30 days or 4 weeks? Seen both still active then, poof gone. Who knows if the threads were saved on a backup server and if not then it would be impossible to provide Mindy the answer that she wants. The evidence to support claims against Mindy and the others no longer exist.

    Ozzwoman9
    Inspiring
    November 12, 2009

    The evidence has to be there and only available to a Mod. How else did Jochem have the message ID number if it is not saved somewhere?

    This is the second time that he has referred me to look up something that only a Mod will have access to and then doesn't answer me when I ask to see it, but rather ignores it thinking it will go away.

    November 12, 2009

    Maybe he will pop in with a cut and paste of the posts for you. I understand your frustration of being thrown under the bus in front of your peers with no way to defend yourself. At least with seeing the posts you will know for sure just what the heck is going on to put your mind at rest.

    Ozzwoman9
    Inspiring
    November 11, 2009

    I have my real name, general location, and two email addresses. Not much you're going to find on me...thousands of people have the same name as mine.

    November 11, 2009

    To find Mindy, just do a google satellite image of her local area and look for a large amount of parked cars.

    Polo

    Ozzwoman9
    Inspiring
    November 11, 2009

    Funny Mister! But most of them are covered or in my "junkyard" at the farm, so even that wouldn't reveal my secret lair!

    Most you will find is my city I live in, but even that is misleading as I do not live within miles of that town.

    Marko!

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    Ozzwoman9
    Inspiring
    November 10, 2009

    Nice to see that someone is answering questions around here...all I wanted was some clarification but I guess that's not possible. Leads me to believe that Jochem knows he is wrong on this one.

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    November 10, 2009

    Sometimes it just makes a person wonder what the real deal is.

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    Inspiring
    November 10, 2009

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    November 9, 2009

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    November 9, 2009

    The abuse button should be turned to the OFF mode. Naming names was not a good thing as all it did was generate hurt feelings and a lot more animosity. Ann and Kath are not here to defend themselves or dispute the allegations declaired against them. 

    _Paz_Author
    Known Participant
    November 9, 2009

    I find it appalling that several basic Tenants of Justice, granted by the 6th Amendment to the Constitution of the United States of America, appear to have little or no value to the people running the forums of the Adobe Corporation.

    Among these rights are:

    The right to a Speedy Trial.

    A person cannot be incarcerated for a lengthy period without having been found guilty.  (Or banished)

    A Public Trial, by a Jury of their Peers

    The accused cannot be tried in secret, by an all powerful, unknown tribunal.

    A Notice of Accusation.

    The accused has a right to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation against him/her.

    Confrontation of Opposing Witnesses.

    The accused has the right to be present at his/her trial.  The accused has the right to know what charges have been made against them and by whom.  The accused has the right to cross examine his/her accusers at trial.

    Compulsory Process for Obtaining Favorable Witnesses.

    The accused is allowed to testify on his/her own behalf and is entitled to subpoena witnesses in his/her favor.

    _Paz_Author
    Known Participant
    November 9, 2009

    I received an email from a friend who has only recently become aware of what's going on here THIS TIME.

    They said:

         "I did see that  some things just don't change: Adobe continues on the path of total world  domination by way of customer insults. Kicking people out of the forums, along  with insults to their character, something you're all too familiar with.  A corporation can do that if there's no  competition, eh? So welcome to the toilet paper line, comrade. The day will  come when the Adobe monopoly is busted up. Until then I will avoid  supporting them whenever and wherever I can."

    I couldn't agree more.

    Claudio González
    Legend
    November 7, 2009

    As of this time, I see three reported replies that are nowhere in sight... I wonder if this one will stay.

    Cindy-
    Known Participant
    November 7, 2009

    Looks to be a trend. Hmmm. I think we may be heavily censored. They better figure out how to get rid of the response count so they won't look so silly.

    Claudio González
    Legend
    November 7, 2009

    The count does eventually get sorted out, but it takes some time. This is not precisely a fast software... And no, it's not censorship. It's just keeping the place clean.