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And then, where have you disappeared to?

Forum|Forum|15 years ago
May 25, 2010
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There used to be a very active Adobe forum participant. He used to annoy me and he used to delight me. He most frequently came up with noteworthy answers.

I used to be a regular reader of the Adobe forums too, not so much a participant. Things at Adobe forums changed…

Now with the advent of CS5, I am browsing a bit again to find out the pros and cons and the bugs etc.

Buko! Are you also one of the casualties? I am missing you.

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S_D_A_

Inspiring

I've been away from these forums for some time due to the nauseous old timers here who seem to beleive they have ownership in these forums. I found then very tiresome, repeating the same stuff over and over again.

I see nothing has changed; months later they're still regurgiating past history. Boring!!

Well bye I'll take a peek in 6mos or so; to see if these talking heads are still saying the same old.

Some people need to get a life or spend the energy that they use complaining, helping others out!

Phillip M Jones

Inspiring

Check on Acrobat Mac, You'll find I am frequent Contributor there. Far more than I post here.

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incurablegeek

Participating Frequently

Again I feel like Sgt. Schultz in Hogan's Heroes, "I know nothing, I see nothing ..."

of the past. All I see is an ongoing Soap Opera with heavy-handed words like banned being tossed about like in the Marcos-era Philippines or present-day Mainland China. Just a first impression, mind you - but a real first for any group I have been privileged to become a member.

Suggestions:

1) Why not give what some deem to be troublemakers and others consider to be valuable assets and sources of information, why not give these folks a conditional second chance? Without all the totalitarian requests for grovelling and the like. When you make a person grovel, you make an enemy. Suggested reading: Sun Tzu's The Art of War - much more insightful than Machiavelli's The Prince --- if and only if you choose to live by its simple advice.

2) Why not end this "pissing contest" here and now - and get on with the real work of this very valuable group?

3) In another group this problem of Beginner Question vs Advanced User Question is handled by a bifurcation of the group into, you guessed it, Beginner and Advanced. In one of my Win 7 Groups, for example, I have VIP (paid) Status because of my serious interest in and more than casual knowledge of MS OS.

4) And in so doing, please cease and desist the bashing of Beginners, no matter what you think of them. Correct me if I'm wrong but most of us at one time or another were Beginners - and ask the occasional Stupid Question. I know that I still do.

Now that's about as constructive as I can be. Sure hope it helps.

IncurableGeek

Claudio González

Legend

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ncurablegeek,

1. Your first suggestion is not for us plain users to comment, but I know that some of the banned ones would have to be begged before considering the idea of coming back. This is why I said that the door seems tightly closed from both sides and we should stop daydreaming.

2. I totally agree with your second suggestion. I did try not to do any pissing, and apologize if I failed.

3. In the old product forums, and in the new ones I still frequent, I have never felt the need for such a separation. I even remember cases of apparently naive or even foolish questions from beginners that developed into very interesting, profound, and enlightening discussions.

4. In the old product forums, and in the new ones I still frequent, bashing of beginners has never been a common practice. There are of course cases of rude answers, but these are nor welcome, and certainly they are not encouraged by "the regulars".

Extra linefeed kindly provided by the software.

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incurablegeek

Participating Frequently

So sorry, Mr. Gonzales, if my use of the pronoun "you" was misunderstood as singular. I intended it for those (unnamed) who felt that some "Beginners" were asking rather boorish questions that could be answered by a careful read of the manual. As a rather open and confessional person myself, I must admit that I quit buying and reading manuals way back about 15 years ago. I now use only them as reference materials, looking for answers by searching the index and of course the net, which is populated by some really knowledgeable and helpful people.

You sound like a decent and positive human being, intent on trying to solve what too many believe to be a problem. Perhaps one way to assure that such a problem never recur is to dispense with this silly-ass hierarchy of Land Owners and Peasants. I would hope never to be anything in any group more than a "plain user". Please rest assured that my ego does not require titles, labels, awards or trophies to bolster itself.

Why not instead, if the group feels that a certain member, is, Heaven Forbid, overstepping his bounds, then why not implement why I like to call "Democracy" (a strange concept I admit).

Whereby a poll is taken of all us "plain users", i.e. everyone, each having a reason and a vote - For or Against a ban? ("I don't like the SOB" not qualifying as a reason)

Regards,

Dennis, a truly IncurableGeek

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incurablegeek

Participating Frequently

I actually know little or nothing about this "forum", other than the fact that negotiating it is a bit awkward, i.e. easier to find commercial-pages than actual no-axe-being-ground user help sites. I could be wrong, but just from my limited exposure to this site I feel that I can learn more elsewhere.

Having lived and worked in Mainland China for quite some time, I necessarily learned how to quickly discern the obvious - and the not so obvious.

Tai_Lao

Inspiring

謝謝

incurablegeek wrote:
… just from my limited exposure to this site I feel that I can learn more elsewhere…

That is very true now. The few remaining knowledgeable contributors, including the volunteer Adobe engineers, are busy answering rank-beginner's questions and, fortunately, finding and acknowledging bugs in the software

All in life is fleeting…

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Anonymous

Gone but not forgotten.

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Anonymous

Two out of the top five banned?

Tai_Lao

Inspiring

Curt Y wrote:
Two out of the top five banned?

Actually, those two are the only ones out of the top posters who remain on the list even some ten months after being banned.

If you take the list of top participants at the time the banning occurred, you would have to say that at least five of the top participants were banned once you add Phosphor±fourdots (!), Ann Shelbourne and Kath Howard. I may be overlooking other top posters who were banned, not to mention those who left on their own.

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andrewdeyu

Participant

who cares anyway?

Claudio González

Legend

Obviously, not you. You seem to be satisfied with the forums as they are, and not to need the kind of help those who have left or have been banned could give.

John T Smith

Community Expert

This forum is to discuss the forums, not products

You might want to go to a product forum where "Buko" was active and ask there

You should also use Buko in the title of your posting

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Anonymous

John T Smith wrote:
This forum is to discuss the forums, not products
You might want to go to a product forum where "Buko" was active and ask there
You should also use Buko in the title of your posting

Buko was banned, along with a few others, so you won't find him on these forums any more.

mytaxsite

Inspiring

John Joslin wrote:
Buko was banned, along with a few others, so you won't find him on these forums any more.

This must be serious then. Was he in some gross professional misconduct situation? Normally this only happens if one has sex with 144 nuns but I doubt if Buko was into this! Perhaps god knows better!

hth

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